GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #4

[cottonweaver]

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[cottonweaver]

blimey - this just gets worse.

Helen said Stewart was concerned the price for the ring was too much, and I offered her a £500 discount. The final cost was going to be £13,550.

remember he has got c. £160k assets

The investigator confirms that the accounts he has managed to find for Stewart totalled around £162,000 in cash.
He also had a total monthly net income of £1,933.

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[neteditor]

“In March Helen told me Stewart had been poorly but he was finally out of hospital. “Our email moved on to more exciting things and we moved on to the engagement. “Helen said Stewart was concerned the price for the ring was too much, and I offered her a £500 discount. The final cost was going to be £13,550. “At the beginning of April Helen thanked me for the discount, she said had Stewart been well enough he would have come down to see me. “I sent her details of the wedding bands and pricing, I didn’t hear back. “I sent a follow up email on April 21, but never got a response. “The wedding band was going to be £920 - so the total cost would be about £14,500.”

Ooh surprise surprise :facepalm:

 

[Squamous]

Crikey, so maybe the ring was a motive too? I love Helen's champagne tastes!

 

[icemaiden65]

Can't help it, this has me in tears. He was obviously terrified that so 'much money' - out of all those assets - was going to be spent on engagement and wedding rings.

 

[Alyce]

Sophia Hirsh grew up in Switzerland and Sweden, where she inherited an interest in gemstones from her father and grandfather, who was a gem collector. After moving to London she began her jewellery career at British houses Asprey and Garrard, drawing inspiration from the archives to create bespoke pieces


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/luxury/jewellery/69518/in-my-jewellery-box-sophia-hirsh.html

 

[neteditor]

It's becoming even more obvious that IS had no intention of marrying her, or wasting money on a decent ring and a nice reception.

 

[ColourPurple]

“In March Helen told me Stewart had been poorly but he was finally out of hospital. “Our email moved on to more exciting things and we moved on to the engagement. “Helen said Stewart was concerned the price for the ring was too much, and I offered her a £500 discount. The final cost was going to be £13,550. “At the beginning of April Helen thanked me for the discount, she said had Stewart been well enough he would have come down to see me. “I sent her details of the wedding bands and pricing, I didn’t hear back. “I sent a follow up email on April 21, but never got a response. “The wedding band was going to be £920 - so the total cost would be about £14,500.”

Ah so IS was going to have to pay out 14.5k? I'd like to know what date the wedding band pricing email was, if it was after Helen emailing her to thank her for the discount in early April and the follow up was April 26th.

 

[cottonweaver]

Jeweller says Stewart did not appear excited about ring

Sophia Hersh is now being cross examined by the defence. She confirms that the ring was going to be handmade. She said the wedding band was going to have a small indentation at the top, so that the stone of the engagement ring can sit comfortably on the same finger as the wedding ring. Sophia Hersh confirms that Stewart was not actively engaged in the conversation, despite counter claims by defence barrister Simon Russell Flint. Sophia tells the jury: “There’s a difference from being physically present and engaged and excited. “I was delighted Helen had finally met someone new, she had a lot of trauma in her life, but I didn’t find Stewart engaged in the conversation. “I have couples in the jewellers every day, there are some couples where there is excitement on both parts but this didn’t happen.” That’s the end of Sophia Hersh’s evidence.

 

[cottonweaver]

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SH tells court couple spent an hour looking at designs + diamonds - she felt Stewart 'was detached from the process + not totally engaged'

 

[Alyce]

Jeweller says Stewart did not appear excited about ring

Sophia Hersh is now being cross examined by the defence. She confirms that the ring was going to be handmade. She said the wedding band was going to have a small indentation at the top, so that the stone of the engagement ring can sit comfortably on the same finger as the wedding ring. Sophia Hersh confirms that Stewart was not actively engaged in the conversation, despite counter claims by defence barrister Simon Russell Flint. Sophia tells the jury: “There’s a difference from being physically present and engaged and excited. “I was delighted Helen had finally met someone new, she had a lot of trauma in her life, but I didn’t find Stewart engaged in the conversation. “I have couples in the jewellers every day, there are some couples where there is excitement on both parts but this didn’t happen.” That’s the end of Sophia Hersh’s evidence.

Defence not scoring any points so far

 

[Squamous]

What a horrible man. Poor, poor Helen.

 

[neteditor]

[video=twitter;828577416218025984]https://twitter.com/ChloeKeedyITV/status/828577416218025984[/video]

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SH tells court couple spent an hour looking at designs + diamonds - she felt Stewart 'was detached from the process + not totally engaged'

Hits the nail on the head there... not totally engaged in any sense. Poor Helen how did she not see it?

 

[hunkerdown]

Knowing Helen, she had impeccable taste and anyone who truly loved her would have celebrated this and embraced it as part of who she was - if you really love someone, you would give them the world. For him to be disinterested doesn't surprise me in the least and may well have been another reason to accelerate the timing of his heinous plan.


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[cottonweaver]

Police seized equipment from couple's home

The next witness is Detective Constable Matt Whalley, who has made nine statements, the court is told. He confirms that one of his first actions in this case was the seizure of various devices from the couple’s house in Baldock Road, Royston. “Some were seized and some were returned to Stewart”, he said. DC Whalley is also a trained radio frequency technician. “On April 28, 2016 I completed a wifi survey at the Broadstairs address. “At places outside the house, the wifi inside the house could be picked up.” DC Whalley is now holding up a wireless router to jurors. In black ink on the wireless router box, there are usernames and passwords relating to the router, which was at the Broadstairs address. One of the passwords for the wireless router was ‘Borisdog123’ the court is told. The wireless router was eventually found in the box at the Royston address, DC Whalley confirms

good stuff

 

[ZaZara]

Sophia Hersh is a jeweller, who knew Helen Bailey because in June 2014 Helen wanted an engagement ring model she had previously created. Julia tells jurors: “We created the original ring from her marriage to John Sinfield and we remodelled this in 2016. “On March 8, 2016 she came to my premises with a man she introduced me to as Ian Stewart. “She said she had met someone new, explained they were engaged, and that she was looking for an engagement ring. “We discussed design ideas for just over an hour. Stewart was there as well but Helen was the one interested in discussing specifics. “Ian Stewart was a little bit detached from the process, not particularly engaged, so I very much discussed things with Helen throughout the visit. “We settled on a design and spoke about prices. Helen loved pink diamonds, which are the rarest of the three colour options we were discussing. “The price for the ring was likely to vary from £11,000 to £14,000.

Isn't the engagement ring something the groom has to take care of?
Like when he gets down on one knee, looks her in the eye and puts a ring on it, as they say?
I get the impression that HB would be paying for her own ring too? (assuming this was to be her ring and not his.)

Weird.


:waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:

 

[Squamous]

Knowing Helen, she had impeccable taste and anyone who truly loved her would have celebrated this and embraced it as part of who she was - if you really love someone, you would give them the world. For him to be disinterested doesn't surprise me in the least and may well have been another reason to accelerate the timing of his heinous plan.


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And they could afford it. Helen was prudent and careful but happy to invest in beautiful jewellery that would hold its value. She wouldn't be talking in these figures if she thought that they couldn't afford it. He is just a .

 

[Alyce]

How awkward for Helen, that she had to be the one to contact the jeweller to talk about costs.

IS was meant to be buying the ring/s..... he should have been dealing with the prices, if he wanted to negotiate


eta ZaZara's post says it better than me

 

[icemaiden65]

Police seized equipment from couple's home

The next witness is Detective Constable Matt Whalley, who has made nine statements, the court is told. He confirms that one of his first actions in this case was the seizure of various devices from the couple’s house in Baldock Road, Royston. “Some were seized and some were returned to Stewart”, he said. DC Whalley is also a trained radio frequency technician. “On April 28, 2016 I completed a wifi survey at the Broadstairs address. “At places outside the house, the wifi inside the house could be picked up.” DC Whalley is now holding up a wireless router to jurors. In black ink on the wireless router box, there are usernames and passwords relating to the router, which was at the Broadstairs address. One of the passwords for the wireless router was ‘Borisdog123’ the court is told. The wireless router was eventually found in the box at the Royston address, DC Whalley confirms

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SQUEAL!! At last, I've been waiting for a techie :happydance:

 

[cottonweaver]

Going to have to break from pasting - if someone wants to have a go


http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/incoming/helen-bailey-murder-trial-continues-12561885