GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #5

[neteditor]

12:59
"It was a very heavy and unusual manhole cover"

“I explained to the tanker driver what the situation was.

“He came, saw where it was, and got the lid up.

“He had a crowbar and a screwdriver to do it. He said it was a very heavy and unusual manhole cover.”

Don't believe this until the experts come and tell us so.

ETA apologies I am repeating things others have already pointed out upthread. Damn unexpected phone calls!

And we now know he knows exactly what tools are needed to lift it.

But of course the manhole behind the garage he knew nothing about and just used to mow around it.

Liars never can remember all the crap (pun intended) they come out with.

 

[MillyM]

13:05
Lunch break

There will now be a lunch break, until 2.05pm.

 

[ColourPurple]

13:03
'Helen helped me open the cess pit'

“I opened the cess pit in his absence. He told me to be very careful, I opened it up always with the help of Helen.

“Helen could get one side of it up, and I used a crowbar to kind of flip it.

Jesus, this might be factual, he really might have asked her to help, possibly while she was drugged and then just pushed her in.

 

[DollyDiamond]

Aha so thats why he came up with the 4k budget. So she transfered that across for her spare room project whilst leaving him the note to say she was buggering off to Broadstairs. Like you would .

Yes - and of course you'd set up a standing order of £4k a month, to decorate a spare room. That is one expensive home decor job!

 

[Squamous]

Helen would help!!! Helen, with her phobia of sewage just loved opening that cesspit hatch. This man is beyond belief. I wish there was a cesspit with a trapdoor under that witness box.

 

[wolfcub]

Here we go again - they are not babies - they are quite capable of buying or renting their own place and looking after themselves

Hmm,
looks like he uses the boys as a sort of 'deterrent' : i.e. I'm not the greedy one wanting to sponge off Helen, it's all about my sons...but in fact it has the opposite effect from what he wants - just makes him look ridiculous using grown up boys as though they are still dependants - for his own gain, be it to gain fincancially, or (from the jury) sympathy...

 

[icemaiden65]

I believe the doctors could have told him after the operation it was probably not cancer but they would have to wait for results. When using a camera inside someone they'd be able to see it was scar tissue and not cancer. My man died of bowel cancer and this just seems a bit over dramatised for me.

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Oh Snoopy, so sorry to hear that. x

 

[neteditor]

It gets worse, the old mop broke in two when I was cleaning up a smashed bottle of white wine which leapt out of the fridge door shelf and created one almighty mess! But you'll be delighted to know that the champagne merely wobbled, gave a sheepish grin and stayed put!

PMSL - I'd have been on hands and knees lapping that spilled stuff up

OT I've got a cupboard that is just like that M&Ms advert, every time you open the door the contents get thrown out at you. We call it the ghost. Needless to state no wine goes in there

 

[ColourPurple]

Defence barrister Simon Russell Flint: “Did you ever open up that cess pit on your own?”

Stewart: “Never, no.

so this turned from "never no" to opening it on his own with Helen's help

 

[JudgeJudi]

11:14
"It was hard work and a hard time when she was writing that book"

“We both enjoyed cooking, Helen loved to do a meal for the family and loved it if we had a regular family meal on the Sunday. “Sometimes Helen cooked, sometimes I cooked, and sometimes we did it together. “In the evening we always had a meal together, cooked by Helen more than me. “Lunch varied, when we first moved in we had lunch together, something quite small. “I didn’t always want lunch so sometimes Helen would do it just for herself. “When she was writing her book it changed totally, she sometimes worked through, didn’t have any lunch or ate at her desk in her study. “It was hard work and a hard time when she was writing that book. “Breakfast varied, before my operation 80% of the time I would cook breakfast for her. “She loved scrambled eggs in the morning, I would make them, or she would make herself poached eggs. “After the operation I did no breakfast cooking at all. I’d wake up much later than Helen and just have a piece of toast”.

A piece of toast? Guess he had large lunches and dinners then.

 

[ColourPurple]

Helen would help!!! Helen, with her phobia of sewage just loved opening that cesspit hatch. This man is beyond belief. I wish there was a cesspit with a trapdoor under that witness box.

When he is found guilty I can imagine there will be some sewage inspired attacks from other prisoners.

 

[Alyce]

Of course this is an awful generalisation, but my experience of Mac users is they look down on us poor Windows people, they'd never DREAM of going back to that terrible Microsoft rubbish and nothing beats their Apple crapple. I very much doubt she was doing as he says. If she wanted a bigger monitor she certainly could afford to buy one.

Ha - I hesitated to say that. I'm a windows gal myself but have a few pals who are Mac and they would never use anything else, particularly for design work

 

[snoopydog]

12:42
"She liked working on my desk because it was clutter free."

Stewart is asked if Helen ever used his computer, which used Windows 10.

“Helen was a Mac user, but she was going to start a new blog entirely, called ‘And Beyond’, talking about good things rather than bad.

“I was helping put that together for her.

“She liked my computer because it had a big screen.

“I’m always a Windows [software] user, I have been for years.”

“She liked working on my desk because it was clutter free.

“My laptop was an Acer laptop. The laptop wasn’t used as a laptop, it was connected to a monitor.”

OK anyone who is a mac user her? I am and if I had the choice in the house would NEVER USE the windows machine. Sorry PC users but once you are a mac you're a mac. This is tripe


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[Alyce]

12:58
"Did you ever open the cess pit?"

Defence barrister Simon Russell Flint: “Did you ever open up that cess pit on your own?”

Stewart: “Never, no. The first time I saw it open was when the tanker driver came to empty it for the first time a year after we’d been in the house. This was about April 2015.”

It was done in April 2014 and April 2015 - seems he cant remember both visits

 

[icemaiden65]

Aha, so that's his story. We know Helen didn't like taking prescription medicine yet it was found in her hair samples which proved she'd been ingesting it for months, she couldn't understand why she'd falling asleep all the time, slept for 5 hours after a good night's sleep ... My blood pressure is rising.

I have some pills I can let you have, free and for nothing. Crushed is optional.

 

[cottonweaver]

Jesus, this might be factual, he really might have asked her to help, possibly while she was drugged and then just pushed her in.

well cary did say

“I can’t say how she died in this case, I can’t say she was suffocated, or she was throttled or strangled. I can’t say when she died, and I can’t date it to April 11,” Dr Carey says, during questioning from the defence barrister. “It’s possible she could have been put down the well in an unconscious state, that would be another possibility to consider. I wouldn’t be able to completely exclude that. It’s so scenario dependent.”

“There was no evidence of obvious injuries or assault, no evidence of compressive neck injury. Looking at the facts it’s necessary to look at more subtle ways of death, Dr Carey said. “Subtle signs of death include things such as a ‘sleeper hold’ headlock type strangulation, which may leave less marks. “Even the most mild person will not put up with being smothered nor will they put up with having their neck impressed. “It is relevant the deceased appears to have been intoxicated with zopiclone at the time of her death.”

she didn't have shoes socks on however so i doubt it

 

[neteditor]

A piece of toast? Guess he had large lunches and dinners then.

Oh, no he was skipping his dinners, didn't you see? Helen had to talk him into eating. No doubt she got sick of him spending all his time down the gym too

 

[cottonweaver]

OK anyone who is a mac user her? I am and if I had the choice in the house would NEVER USE the windows machine. Sorry PC users but once you are a mac you're a mac. This is tripe


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ditto. it would not make my tasks easier, jumping on his Acer either.

 

[neteditor]

Ha - I hesitated to say that. I'm a windows gal myself but have a few pals who are Mac and they would never use anything else, particularly for design work

Was my envy showing?

 

[DollyDiamond]

He sure is Alyce. He's making me feel quite ill. Going to get that brandy!.[/QUOTE

]I'm thinking about opening the pinot grigio early - the toxic t*sser is driving us all to drink! I hope this afternoon's interrogation starts soon and he becomes a JUMPING bean!