GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #7

[neteditor]

“There was no doubt it was Helen and her dog, and no doubt it was April 11. “There was no doubt the time was 3.40pm to 3.50pm.”

No way.

And from a silhouette?

 

[cottonweaver]

Dog walker looked determined

Trimmer: “You’re used to dog walkers there because it’s near a heath?”
Mrs John: “Yes”
Trimmer: “But on this occasion this person you saw was walking in a determined fashion?”
Mrs John: “Yes”
Trimmer: “Putting her hands through her hair?” Mrs John: “Yes. This made me look even more carefully whether it was Helen or not.”

 

[snoopydog]

Angela John.

The next witness will be Angela John. Mrs John made a statement to police on April 27 relating to Helen Bailey, who she believed to be missing.

“I had seen Helen walking the dog on the main road where she lived in Royston on numerous occasions once a month, then I saw a newspaper article saying who she was. “I didn’t even know where she lived at this time. “There was an article in the Royston Crow with a picture of her when her latest book came out, and I thought ‘oh that’s the lady who walks the dachshund’. “Once I found out she was an author I was going to ask her for pointers for my grandchild but I never saw her again.”

“About a year/18 months ago I saw Helen up by the fire station further up the road from where we live with a tall thin man. She seemed quite animated with him, quite happy. They both had raincoats on. He was very smart.”

“The day I last saw Helen Bailey was April 11, in the afternoon, between 3.40pm and 3.50pm. “I saw her about 20/30 foot away from her house gate. The dog on a lead was with her. “Her neighbour had a very tall wooden fence erected, Helen was silhouetted against that. “As I was approaching her I thought ‘Oh that’s Helen I haven’t seen her in ages’. “Then I thought she would get wet as it started drizzling. “There was no doubt it was Helen and her dog, and no doubt it was April 11. “There was no doubt the time was 3.40pm to 3.50pm.”

I think these witnesses are talking mince. That's all.


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[cottonweaver]

bit of context - NOT from court now

PC Woodhouse “At 8pm on April 20 I briefed another team of officers. At 9.30pm we searched a wooded area opposite the house. This area is known as Royston/Thurfield Heath - an area popular with dog walkers.

 

[cottonweaver]

I think these witnesses are talking mince. That's all.


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let's hope Strimmer can grind them finer?

 

[scandinavian girl]

As a previous dog owner I can´t recognize people if they walk without their dog, since mine died there are plenty of people who stopped saying hello bcs of no dog, so are there other dachshounds in that area or similar looking I wonder

 

[snoopydog]

Witness had not seen Helen wearing that type of clothing before

Mrs John said Helen was wearing a stone or beige pair of trousers and a shirt of the same colour when she saw the author on April 11. Trimmer: “You’d never seen Helen on a similar occasion wearing clothes like that?”
Mrs John: “No”

Told you, it was nick or joe with a wig on and the dog.


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[cottonweaver]

Certain of date she saw Helen

Trimmer: “Is there a danger this could be the Monday previous?”
Mrs John: “I don’t think so, as far as I’m concerned it was in the afternoon on Monday April 11.”
Trimmer: “The way in which you appear to be fixing the way you saw Helen Bailey is either by going to the Building Society or the hairdressers, but it may not be on that occasion that you saw her, it may be on the Tuesday?”
Mrs John: “No, I never normally going to Royston in the afternoon. It was unusual circumstances that I had to go to the hairdressers on Monday afternoon”

 

[cottonweaver]

Using car in rain helped determine date

Trimmer: “Why can’t it be the week before that you saw Helen, when you went to the Building Society [on Monday April 4]?”
Mrs John: “Because I normally walk to Royston, but this time I used the car because it was raining.”

 

[Alyce]

Presumably means this fence, to the right of Helen's house as you look at the map



https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.0...V0vBhaXT2ROuyczG0Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

 

[neteditor]

Using car in rain helped determine date

Trimmer: “Why can’t it be the week before that you saw Helen, when you went to the Building Society [on Monday April 4]?”
Mrs John: “Because I normally walk to Royston, but this time I used the car because it was raining.”

The student's mother said it was a dry day

 

[cottonweaver]

'No doubts' on date she saw Helen

Mrs John is now being re-examined by the defence.
Defence barrister Simon Russell Flint: “When you saw Helen Bailey what had you been doing before?”
Mrs John: “I’d been to the hairdressers, I went and got that confirmed with the hairdressers. “When I went to the Building Society last I walked there.” “It was April 11 - from 3.40pm to 3.50pm - when I last saw Helen Bailey.
There are no doubts in my mind.”

 

[Tortoise]

Some people are so observant. I never notice what strangers are wearing, unless it is something that stands out as unusual.

I know there are people with photographic memories but if you didn't know you would be asked to describe something much later on, at least a week later, I fail to see what would have made seeing Helen and what she was wearing stand out in her memory. If you'd seen a crime being committed that is different.

 

[cottonweaver]

The student's mother said it was a dry day

and her daugh said it was "muggy". Sheesh

 

[LozDa]

Using car in rain helped determine date

Trimmer: “Why can’t it be the week before that you saw Helen, when you went to the Building Society [on Monday April 4]?”
Mrs John: “Because I normally walk to Royston, but this time I used the car because it was raining.”

Historical weather data shows no rain on April 11th.

https://www.wunderground.com/histor...eqdb.zip=00000&reqdb.magic=41&reqdb.wmo=03571

 

[Duchy]

What! All that waiting at lunch time and that's it!

 

[cottonweaver]

B*gger


Helen Bailey murder trial closes for the day

That’s the end of the case for today. The case will resume at 10am tomorrow.

 

[snoopydog]

'No doubts' on date she saw Helen

Mrs John is now being re-examined by the defence.
Defence barrister Simon Russell Flint: “When you saw Helen Bailey what had you been doing before?”
Mrs John: “I’d been to the hairdressers, I went and got that confirmed with the hairdressers. “When I went to the Building Society last I walked there.” “It was April 11 - from 3.40pm to 3.50pm - when I last saw Helen Bailey.
There are no doubts in my mind.”

I have a vision in my head of this woman. The words small, town, busy body, curtain twitcher, come to mind. Obviously I could be totally wrong


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[Tortoise]

The student's mother said it was a dry day

I've looked it up once, because I think I wanted to find out if Stewart would have been out doing all this in the rain. From what I remember there was light rain in the early evening, but not during the afternoon.

 

[neteditor]

Presumably means this fence, to the right of Helen's house as you look at the map



https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.0...V0vBhaXT2ROuyczG0Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

I wonder what those notices on the gates of H Lodge are? The images are dated August 2016. Wish I could zoom in. I'm so nosey.