GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #8

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  • #881
Thinking about this nearly £2k a month income...

Could all or part of it be from one of those sickness insurance policies possibly? If so would the terminology "sickness benefits" apply appropriately to that? I don't know a lot about them, as you can tell, apart from turning one down when I once bought a car on HP. I assume one of those would not "expire" upon marriage?
 
  • #882
Feck that Tortoise - at least pretend to be IS from Merry Widows! ( Doubt he has a very deep voice.)

You haven't heard his "My partner has been missing since Monday..." crap repeatedly upon Cam News page loading then? :D His voice is surprisingly high - which might be another clue he's the missing BeeGee.
 
  • #883
Was £2,000 a month going to be enough for him to meet all the household expenses without dipping into his piggy bank?
 
  • #884
Was £2,000 a month going to be enough for him to meet all the household expenses without dipping into his piggy bank?

Without a mortgage to pay, I don't see why not. But then, I don't live a champagne lifestyle :D He'd need a few bob for his tv dinners on very light trays.
 
  • #885
Feck that Tortoise - at least pretend to be IS from Merry Widows! ( Doubt he has a very deep voice.)

From the ghastly "my partner is missing" call, would say you're right-both my sons had deeper voices at primary school! (From memory and recordings..)
 
  • #886
I came to this case late. I was aware of Helen being missing and kind of half followed the story on the radio. When I first started reading here, I thought that the murder was probably an accident or something that had got out of hand.

I never entertained the notion that it could have been planned but then I started reading. The zopiclone business, the items found in the cess pit, indeed the very idea of the cess pit.

Then the NiJoDa poppycock. I have read about this case obsessively and believe IS to be a very wicked man. If he is found guilty, as he surely must be, then I hope that his first wife's death is looked at again

How can he have done this to those two boys???
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And leaving Helen aside for a moment, imagine being the boys and finding out that Boris,the little dog who you missed, who the house just wasn't the same without... was killed by your dad too.
 
  • #887
You haven't heard his "My partner has been missing since Monday..." crap repeatedly upon Cam News page loading then? :D His voice is surprisingly high - which might be another clue he's the missing BeeGee.

just noticed you'd said the same

(goes off quietly)
 
  • #888
I'm not sure that the rather close juxtaposition of "he has never committed a crime before" with "his wife died and he's a widower" was entirely accidental...
 
  • #889
The case resumes

The case has been called back on. There is now one further agreed fact in the case to be read to jurors.

The agreed fact is: “DS Graham Paul examined Helen Bailey’s iPad for the term zopiclone and myasthenia gravis.

“He also searched for reductions of these terms. None of the terms could be found in the searches on the device.

“The internet search history of the device dated March 30 and April 19.”


http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/incoming/live-helen-bailey-murder-case-12612181

Who was searching April 19th?
 
  • #890
Without a mortgage to pay, I don't see why not. But then, I don't live a champagne lifestyle :D He'd need a few bob for his tv dinners on very light trays.

Oh yes I forgot there was no mortgage.
 
  • #891
There's nothing in any other news sources Cherwell. it's just Cambridge's pasted into word, which I did whilst I was reading it today - so nothing new I'm afraid.

No, I meant there might have been one or two little bits that were unreported. A couple of times there have been things missing from the live reports that showed up later in an article.
 
  • #892
The 2K was hard to get accurate reporting on
ITV said sickness benefits and pension IIRC

Flint today said “He received £2,000 a month net pay, from his pension and work.", well he would wouldn't he.

IDK what date he finally gave up work , was it mid 90's?
Stewart also said effectively he only has one vocal chord as a result of complications with his operations. “I’ve been in intensive care five or six times. Generally, I was down there because they’re so concerned. “I went back to work and we went on holiday. I had a severe attack and ended up in intensive care in France. “I was flown back to Addenbrooke’s and was in intensive care there for a while. “Following my discharge from there I never went back to work again on advice from the doctors. “It’s not known what brings my Myasthenia gravis on.”
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/incoming/live-helen-bailey-murder-trial-12566970

we looked at enhanced PIP with mobility allowance and extra top-ups a few threads ago but can't remember how much it was worth to add to a company pension to make a tot of £1933 pm
 
  • #893
  • #894
Lifted this poem off IS Facebook page: he posted it there about 5 years ago. he's good at letting go and moving on...

"To let go isn’t to forget, not to think about it, or ignore. It doesn’t leave feelings of anger, jealousy, or regret. Letting go isn’t about winning or losing. It’s not about pride, and its not about how you appear, and it’s not about obsessing or dwelling on the past. Letting go isnt blocking memories or thinking sad thoughts, and doesn’t leave emptiness, hurt, or sadness. It’s not about giving in or giving up. Letting go isn’t about loss and it’s not about defeat. To let go is to cherish memories, to overcome and move on. It is having an open mind in confidence for the future. Letting go is learning, experiencing, and growing. To let go is to be thankful for the experiences that made you laugh, made you cry, and made you grow. It’s about all that you have, all that you had, and all that you will soon gain. Letting go is having the courage to accept change, and the strength to keep moving. letting go is growing up. it is realizing that the heart can sometimes be the most potent remedy. To let go is to open a door, to clear a path and let yourself free."

clear at a path and let yourself free?!



 
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Prosecutor Stuart Trimmer is now starting his closing speech to jurors. Addressing jurors, he says: “We’re very close to the point when it really is up to you. Stewart’s guilt or innocence is determined by you. “You will judge what is true. You have it all in terms of the material that both sides take the view you need to make a decision.”

“In very short terms the Crown say there is overwhelming evidence on which the Crown say, you must find Stewart guilty. “If you were to think to yourself ‘I am sure this defendant is a liar, an actor, and is telling us something that is simply not true’ then the next stage of that logic would be why is he lying to us? Why is he behaving like an actor? “The only answer to that is probably because he is guilty of these offences.”

“I would say his account is absurd. You have the narrow choice to choose whether it was this defendant who killed Helen Bailey, or Nick and Joe. “It’s not the whole world to choose from, it’s this defendant, or Nick and Joe. “Or if the Crown suggest you take the view that Nick and Joe are imaginary, who don’t have proper names, who don’t exist, and have been imagined to pull the wool over your eyes. “If Nick and Joe don’t exist, then it is this defendant who killed Helen Bailey.”

Mr Trimmer adds: “The Crown say one thing you will have understood is that whoever did this, and the Crown say there is no doubt it was Ian Stewart, it was a wicked thing. “The killing was wicked, the disposal of the body is wicked, the way in which it was done and planned was wicked. “But you have to get past that notion and consider the facts.”

“The Crown say this was a wicked action. “It was a long plan. This defendant planned and set about the beginning, the middle, and the end of his plan. “This was a long plan involving poisoning. With it in mind that killing would follow, and with it in mind that he would get away with it. “Why he did it, we will never know. “He planned the beginning (the poisoning), the middle (the killing) and the end (the disposal). “It was not a coincidence that they stood by the cess pit and someone said ‘that would be a good place to hide a body’.”

“The notion of Joe and Nick putting them in that cess pit is quite absurd. Why would the kidnapper bring the uninjured, drugged body of Helen Bailey back and put her in the pit? Why would all the places in the world would they choose that place? “They had no beef with Ian Stewart, they had no reason to frame him or to make his life difficult. “Why put the dog in that pit? Why would Nick and Joe want to go to the trouble of taking that dog, killing it, taking it back and putting it in that pit. “Why would they bother to take the dog’s toy back to that pit? “Nonsense isn’t it. Why would they want to put to put the pillow slip, the bin bags in that pit?”

“Why would Nick and Joe want to go back there at all? They know police are involved. Why go back to the place where police might turn up at any time, with presumably the body and the dog in the car? Why take the risk?”

“Nick and Joe don’t exist and didn’t do it. However, Ian Stewart on the other hand, what better place? And shortly he very nearly got away with it. “A little while longer, had the police not on July 15 made that final search of that cess pit, her body may have remained in that pit, sunk to the bottom and decomposed. “In a few years they might have found some bones. “Stewart’s acting, his sadness, his insistence she had gone away, his electronic records he left behind, all showed Helen had just run away. Showed a riff between lovers.”
 
  • #897
I think I recall him saying he'd effectively been disabled for 19 years? Something about a blue badge driver ? Could be wrong .... But I think along those lines, his first wife was still working until her death tho.
 
  • #898
“This defendant was intimate with Helen Bailey one month after they first met face to face. “It’s perfectly plain and you’ll see this in the extracts from her book, Helen was overwhelmed by love longing, absolutely besotted with him, the Gorgeous Grey Haired Widower. “It’s a matter of common sense that somebody shortly bereaved may not have the logical equipment to see they are being deceived. “The Crown say Helen Bailey was grossly deceived by somebody who was preying on her.”

“In 2012 there had been discussions about Helen’s wealth and making a will, because Ian Stewart signed the first 2012 will as a witness. “But if you sign a will as a witness you may not benefit from that will. “By 2014 Stewart had moved forward this far, Helen Bailey wanted to ensure by 2014 that even if she died before she got married, Stewart would be so well provided for he would be utterly comfortable for the rest of his life. “From 2012 to 2014, Stewart had achieved that milestone from Helen Bailey. He told you he had plenty of money and was well provided for, she didn’t think so. “She trusted Tony Hurley to abide by those wishes. “There’s no doubt that if she died after that will, all that under the will would have become Stewart’s.”

“Helen was so worried about his financial circumstances, that Stewart wouldn’t have to pay for the inheritance tax, so she took out a policy that if she died, there was sufficient money to pay the inheritance tax. “Ms Bailey was sufficiently taken by Stewart to make sure Stewart was sufficiently provided for.”
 
  • #899
“Ms Bailey was given Zopiclone. She was having drugs ingested into her system in increasing concentration. “It doesn’t build up in her system, but the concentrations are increasing up to the point where she dies. “The suggestion that will be floated is that she took these drugs herself. “Why would she be taking them in increasing concentration? “That is the curious nonsense, especially you remember the evidence about how she felt. “Why would you bother talking to your mother about feeling very sleepy. if at the same time you are taking increasing concentrations of sleeping tablets? Bizarre nonsense. “This defendant had had Zopiclone prescribed to him on two separate occasions, he knew perfectly well the effects of that drug.”

“Not only was there Zopiclone in Helen’s system but paracetamol. But what do those tablets look like? Ordinary tablets? Was he saying ‘got a headache love, want some paracetamol?’ “In addition, Stewart did cook Ms Bailey breakfast. “The result of taking Zopiclone is not that it tastes bad, but once you have ingested it the saliva has a metallic taste. “But it’s not the tablet that’s tasting bad or sharp, it’s the side effect. “There is nothing unreasonable in the notion that Stewart could have put Zopiclone in Helen’s scrambled egg.”

“Helen’s mother knew she wasn’t well. The point is Helen spoke to her mother about sleeping during the day. Why? “If she’s taking the sleeping tablets herself why would speak to her mum about that? Nonsense. Stewart went to the doctor to get this Zopiclone in January. He was unwell, he wasn’t sleeping. He wanted a strong dose of a sleeping tablet. “He said ‘I go home, I show it to Helen Bailey, who immediately says to me you can’t take that’. “Did he go back to the doctor the next day? Did he say ‘you gave me the Zopiclone I asked for and had twice previously without difficulty, but I need another sleeping tablet now, these are no good’? He didn’t go back to the doctor, because this didn’t happen. “She didn’t confiscate them and where they went we don’t know. There is no evidence of the finding of the drugs packet.”

“The words the cess pit ‘would be a good place to hide a body’ those words stuck, when this long plan was thought of. “The difficulty in taking bodies somewhere else is that it’s very difficult to avoid electronic footprint, prying eyes, people wondering what you’re doing. “All those are difficult. But your own garage, a deep well full of excrement and gravity assisted, is exactly that - a good place to hide a body.”

( yes have checked all these against Cambs News feed as it stands now at 7.21pm)
 
  • #900
“On April 4 there is a gap in Helen’s internet activity. There is a bigger period on April 8. “The Crown say that April 8 might have been the right time when Helen was stupefied and death could have taken place that day. except for this. “This defendant’s parents unexpectedly came round. “On April 11 when she was killed, there were phone calls from this defendant to his parents, to determine whether the same might happen again, whether they were going to come round that afternoon. “This is a deep laid, long plan, and he wouldn’t want his parents disturbing what he was doing.”*
“This is the mind of a man whose long plan is poisoning, murder and disposal. “He’s been thwarted once possibly on April 4, but on April 8 he’s seen Helen looking why she was falling asleep. “Has he worked out she’s complaining to her mother? “What’s going to be the next thing she does? Pick up the phone to the doctor? “The doctor would do some routine blood tests, and find out that Zopiclone was in her blood. “Stewart couldn’t have that happen could he? He can’t have Helen taking that investigation into why she was sleepy further.”

Stewart 'on his own' with Helen on April 11

“The plan has to be now. This is a wicked man, the Crown say, and so we have him having to carry on. “On the weekend (April 9/10) there are people round. Friday proved fruitless. Monday (April 11) is looking good, The boys have gone out, he’s on his own with her all day. “That day his evidence is Helen was there in the morning, there up until the point that he goes out. “His evidence is that Helen was home, not out walking the dog.”*

Author's electronic footprint changed - prosecutor
“Ms Bailey was actively doing what she was expected her to do. Her life was in internet activity, blogging, tweeting, emailing. “We’re going to see her electronic footprint changing. “It stops. Why? Why by about the middle of the afternoon on April 11 has Helen’s phone been switched off, or the sim card removed? “The Crown suggest the sim card has been removed, as it connected to the wifi at the Broadstairs house later on.”

Stewart was 'trying to create' text history
“We know that between 12.13pm and 3.18pm Helen’s phone is inactive. Why? Her electronic footprint stops, because this defendant has killed her and put her in that cess pit, and has removed the sim card from her phone. “Her electronic activity comes to a sudden, jarring halt. And there is no more activity thereafter. “The only activity thereafter is this defendant cunningly trying to create history in terms of texts as if she was able to access her phone.”
 
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