Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #3 *ARREST*

[Crazy Mama]

So if there is no translator or legal council available where did the LE stand?

 

[Lass from Yorkshire]

I think they will always have translators/council available.

 

[Deleted member 238128]

I admire your patience Cags!

I expected these responses. Sorry, just had something in my head re a witness mixing the 2 car drivers up if there was no camera footage. I have 2 kids under 3. I know about the need for patience when tired

 

[Miss_French]

So if there is no translator or legal council available where did the LE stand?

First one, they'd have to wait until one arrived at the police station because a suspect cannot be interviewed without understanding the discussion; the MoJ has contracts to provide interpreters for translation and sign language. Second one, there'd be a duty solicitor that can give advice over the phone or in person. Having spent a lot of time on magistrates courts (as support for airmen charged with driving offences from my time in the RAF, before anyone asks) it's the same there; they ask on arrival if you need a solicitor and if yes, the duty solicitor assists you.

 

[Caroclaud]

If PR has requested an interpreter then legally he has to be supplied with one otherwise LE can’t proceed. Solicitors are also required, probably a duty solicitor, as I very much doubt PR has his own.
It can be difficult to secure the services of an interpreter as they have to be an approved one, plus of course they can’t sit around 24/7 so interviews have to be fairly organised so everyone is available, this consumes quite a lot of time. Moo but others might have more knowledge!

At this stage I am thinking LE have the right man, but the search of the bench in the dark seems desperate, maybe the urgency of doing it in the dark was so if anything was found there would be enough time to do forensic testing before the custody expiry tonight? Maybe he’s cracking under the pressure and admitting some further details, I would have said that it still doesn’t prove he has done anything if they were on the bench... if it weren’t for the reports of screams and the man running- that just implies guilt rather than Libby being left on the bench and having an accident herself by wandering into the river.

 

[Joolz1975]

Good question! I’m not sure, I would have thought you would have to be charged and bailed for them to have the power to seize a passport. Maybe they can request you don’t go anywhere once released without charge until the investigation is conconcluded or you are ruled out as a suspect, but can’t actually stop you?

I'm sure they can seize passport even without a charge.

Only if released on police bail though.ll as there would be conditions to that bail.

If they just release him with no bail conditions as in they have nothing and he isn't a suspect then i don't think there could be any restrictions at all.

 

[Deleted member 238128]

If P. told his wife or sister about giving Libby a lift that night, but none of them volunteered information to the police, wouldn’t they also be questioned/ suspected of withholding info/PTCOJ? I can’t imagine any circumstance in which a man wouldn’t mention an incident like that when he got home unless hiding something

 

[Caroclaud]

LE must have been interviewing his wife and work colleagues too about PRs movements before he was arrested. Wonder if they interviewed the sister too, she’s gone very quiet since her initial remarks which somewhat incriminated him.

 

[Caroclaud]

If P. told his wife or sister about giving Libby a lift that night, but none of them volunteered information to the police, wouldn’t they also be questioned/ suspected of withholding info/PTCOJ? I can’t imagine any circumstance in which a man wouldn’t mention an incident like that when he got home unless hiding something

Ha- same thought at the same time!

 

[YaYa_521]

7am in the UK. In about 14 hours we should know a little more.

Ty for the time check. I wondered (but too lazy to look).

Now, you all shhhh, we're sleeping over on this side of the pond.

 

[Ched]

Regarding why she got in the car ; so I think she’s just the wrong demographic to know him socially , but as we said he could be an illegal taxi ..... and she may have used him before on occasions, so when speaking to her in Polish accent and saying he’s a taxi might of made her think oh yes I’ve been in his car before , he may have even had her postcode in his car before if she’s used him .... and if so DNA may have already been in his car ?????

 

[Joolz1975]

I must admit I've followed this case from the very beginning as Hull uni is very familiar to me but I was shocked when they arrested PR an apparent stranger.

I felt sure that someone known to Libby from Uni was in some way responsible.

Especially after watching some of the public appeals featuring her friends. One of them just didn't sit right with me.

Obviously watched too many crime shows and have a suspicious mind.

 

[Ched]

Regarding is he rolling a : remember the cctv we have had been cut a lot , so when the police and I presume itv had a good look too before they handed it over I presume they can see him smoking for x minutes .....

 

[Kolumbo]

Regarding why she got in the car ; so I think she’s just the wrong demographic to know him socially , but as we said he could be an illegal taxi ..... and she may have used him before on occasions, so when speaking to her in Polish accent and saying he’s a taxi might of made her think oh yes I’ve been in his car before , he may have even had her postcode in his car before if she’s used him .... and if so DNA may have already been in his car ?????

I think we shouldn't discount the possibility that she may have recognised him, and/or he her more likely (given her drunken state) from the gym. We know he has used the Exercise4Less gym on Clough Rd, literally 5 minute's walk from Libby's house - I think the closest, biggest and cheapest in the area, very popular with students. Libby's parents say she loved the gym, so while not confirmed I think it likely she used the same one. "Oh, I've seen you in the gym before" could elicit a loose sense of trust over and above that of the other strangers who had approached to help her that night, even if she was too drunk to actually recall him or the familiarity was one-sided on his part.

 

[Ec1995]

I think if it gets to say 5pm and they haven’t released him on bail then he is getting charged with something, not likely they wouldn’t leave a little time in the bank if they jnew they couldn’t charge him today. Jmo

 

[Ched]

Regarding the missing person happening within 12 hours : am I right in thinking this normally happens with an ‘act risk’ person . I know it’s a delicate subject and don’t wish to offend anyone. With her self harm we don’t know any more but maybe there was a real fear that at the start it could have been down to Libby doing something and that’s why it started so quickly. I know this has been played down in media , like her photos being changed to just 2 to use with arms covered, plus I wouldn’t want attention drawn to it so that people could keep an open mind about the possibilities

 

[Deleted member 238128]

Is the part of the video where Libby is put into the car speeded up? I’d like to watch it at normal speed if so. It looks like a struggle/ forced to me. Possibly ending with her knees on the floor of the passenger side and head on the seat, then something thrown over her, but would like to compare if slowed down to normal speed.

 

[Officer Dibble]

Maybe bench 2 only figures into his defence. They might have him on cctv entering the neighborhood and not popping up on other cctv within a reasonable amount of time. Maybe PR has told police he dropped her home and then went to the park by himself and smoked a cigarette on the bench.

...to cover up for having been spotted revisiting the park later that night?

 

[Joolz1975]

Regarding the missing person happening within 12 hours : am I right in thinking this normally happens with an ‘act risk’ person . I know it’s a delicate subject and don’t wish to offend anyone. With her self harm we don’t know any more but maybe there was a real fear that at the start it could have been down to Libby doing something and that’s why it started so quickly. I know this has been played down in media , like her photos being changed to just 2 to use with arms covered, plus I wouldn’t want attention drawn to it so that people could keep an open mind about the possibilities

I personally think they knew very quickly that they were looking at a possible abduction rather than Libby doing something to herself.

If imagine they have much more cctv footage than we know of that shows her been approached then led to the car (if it is her...surely it is). They probably had that fairly quickly.

My own gut feeling is they had PR under surveillance from early on and hoped he would lead them to her...when that wasn't happening they decided to arrest.

I can't make my mind up if it's a good deed gone terribly wrong and he panicked OR the intent to cause harm was there from the start.

Suppose today will tell us more.

 

[Officer Dibble]

Is the part of the video where Libby is put into the car speeded up? I’d like to watch it at normal speed if so. It looks like a struggle/ forced to me. Possibly ending with her knees on the floor of the passenger side and head on the seat, then something thrown over her, but would like to compare if slowed down to normal speed.

Someone mentioned that the Daily Mail has a you tube channel and its super magnified there. I'm pretty sure on you tube you can slow things down somehow...