Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #6 *ARREST*

[Strontium69]

Libby Squire latest as search for Hull student enters 14th day

Officers cutting vegetation video etc

Well they aren't doing that today I've just come from there.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

They can't do a finger tip search in the brambles? Personally, I think they are looking for possessions or a weapon. If they knew what the suspect was wearing when he went out and those clothes were not found at his house when they searched - it could be something like that. That would mean they knew the size of the items they are looking for too.

I mean't the areas they have cleared. I think they're either waiting for forensics to come back or are still wading through CCTV and hope to find something. The park search being a distraction for media and us....I remember the Corrie case where a number of the Police verbal appeals for people seen on CCTV failed and when they did eventually release footage the people came forward/were traced very quickly.

If Police are currently stuck in any way I would have thought select release of CCTV could help them.

*Just watched the latest video report from the Hull Mail reporter and he just said that Police are making sure to tick all the boxes/cover all bases with the park search. I do think Police are biding time for results or hoping something comes up soon.*

 

[Deleted member 238128]

I wish we had some smaller details.

-The initial taxi driver from Welly; how he explained how Libby was, coherent, mood, actions etc.
-"Distressed" sitting on the bench. In what context? People are used to seeing drunk students and others around there, most vehicles would not stop over a girl just sitting on a bench. Can falling over on the bench be described as distressed or simply drunk? There is no explanation as to exactly what is meant by her actions being "distressed"

There is no evidence of intruders or people spotted around her house to make her leave without entry. Nor do I think her leaving to find some other students or place to go to is plausible. Just because one is a student doesn't mean they know all the others and from accounts, Libby is reserved and this isn't what she would do.

I believe the most simplistic version is either she lost her keys and went to wait in a safer area on the bench or she possibly went to get some food at a takeaway as most drunk people do and it's likely after Welly her and her friends get a takeaway. Then she stumbled to the bench and felt drunk so decided to sit down for 5 minutes first.

I do not believe she would then walk into a dark area or a park, no matter how drunk. Nor would you run in there being chased as though this was some B grade horror movie in which people make really silly decisions. You would scream and keep in the main public lit areas.

The intermittent screams were a vixen fox. No would be killer chases someone and allows them to keep screaming, the risk is too high, they would turn around and leave. Nor would they be assaulting someone for 15 minutes again allowing them to make a noise for others to hear. You don't fall into icy cold water and have the ability to keep screaming. Your breathe is taken away combined with the energy expenditure lost struggling to get out.

The single scream and slam is the possible abduction. Vehicle reported at the park area is the abductors going to a dark secluded place for a sexual assault. Possible strangulation of victim, body dropped into the park and vehicle driven out as not to arise suspicion of a car being there for an extended period. Abductor than re-enters the park to dispose of the body in the river and hide items in the bushes and runs out as witnessed.

This is the reason why other areas and only the park are being searched because the vehicle does not leave the area according to cctv and evidence.

The bushes searches could be due to clothing items discarded that would have floated on the water.

Sorry for the long post!

I was reading online about fox mating last night, it said the vixen will move around and emit screams and yips and mating lasts 15-20 minutes as will the noise - which would fit with the reports from a timing perspective

 

[ly502]

We don't really even know what evidence allowed LE to arrest PR in the first place...or allowed them to get access to his home. It clearly wasn't just suspicion of lewd acts since they actually arrested him "in connection" to LS's abduction. So LE must have some compelling evidence to actually have arrested him in the first place. I don't think the video was enough - at least the video we have seen. I am correct that we don't know what actually led to his arrest, right? Without that information, I feel like we can only speculate. Not that we shouldn't continue to think of viable theories. It is just frustrating. There has to be more video...

 

[Chester]

I was reading online about fox mating last night, it said the vixen will move around and emit screams and yips and mating lasts 15-20 minutes as will the noise - which would fit with the reports from a timing perspective

Precisely.

 

[Steve0000]

I was reading online about fox mating last night, it said the vixen will move around and emit screams and yips and mating lasts 15-20 minutes as will the noise - which would fit with the reports from a timing perspective

Yeah and when you factor in they do it as this time of year, they are going to likely be in a park and their "scream" really does sound like the stereotypical blood-curdling horror scream and they will do a handful of times.

All that adds up imo. Versus someone being attacked and their attacker allowing them to scream.. stop.. scream again for a period of around 15 minutes. That makes no sense. They would have 1 or 2 long screams and then be silenced.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Vehicle reported at the park area is the abductors going to a dark secluded place for a sexual assault.

Some great points, Steve.

Quick question though - has there actually been a vehicle reported at the park?

And I'm not yet totally convinced about the vixen. Your theory suggests that Libby may have been taken to the park and sexually assaulted. Pretty coincidental that the screaming was heard at the same time. Would be interesting to know if the witness has been played fox screams to see if he could have confused the two. I hear them all the time (and yes, the first time I thought something awful was happening) but I wouldn't get them mixed up with human screams now.

All that said, I still can't rule out the scream/bang scenario either. The back of Libby's house has a wooden gate. Her house backs onto Heathcote. I think it's quite possible she explained to PR she was locked out and he offered to help her get in via the back of the house. Once in that back alley he saw an opportunity and grabbed her - scream / bang. And then went to the park. The timings seem slightly off (but aren't concrete) but I do wonder if both scream incidents might be valid.

 

[Chester]

Well they aren't doing that today I've just come from there.

There seems to be a reporting lag of up to 24 hours depending on who is doing the reporting.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

I mean't the areas they have cleared. I think they're either waiting for forensics to come back or are still wading through CCTV and hope to find something. The park search being a distraction for media and us....I remember the Corrie case where a number of the Police verbal appeals for people seen on CCTV failed and when they did eventually release footage the people came forward/were traced very quickly.

If Police are currently stuck in any way I would have thought select release of CCTV could help them.

*Just watched the latest video report from the Hull Mail reporter and he just said that Police are making sure to tick all the boxes/cover all bases with the park search. I do think Police are biding time for results or hoping something comes up soon.*

It would still apply if they'd cut the brambles down, it's not somewhere you could get on your knees and finger tip search. They tend to do that on very flat ground or grass.
I don't believe any of it to be a distraction, surely they wouldn't waste resources like that.

 

[scootermuppet]

I wish we had some smaller details.

-The initial taxi driver from Welly; how he explained how Libby was, coherent, mood, actions etc.
-"Distressed" sitting on the bench. In what context? People are used to seeing drunk students and others around there, most vehicles would not stop over a girl just sitting on a bench. Can falling over on the bench be described as distressed or simply drunk? There is no explanation as to exactly what is meant by her actions being "distressed"

There is no evidence of intruders or people spotted around her house to make her leave without entry. Nor do I think her leaving to find some other students or place to go to is plausible. Just because one is a student doesn't mean they know all the others and from accounts, Libby is reserved and this isn't what she would do.

I believe the most simplistic version is either she lost her keys and went to wait in a safer area on the bench or she possibly went to get some food at a takeaway as most drunk people do and it's likely after Welly her and her friends get a takeaway. Then she stumbled to the bench and felt drunk so decided to sit down for 5 minutes first.

I do not believe she would then walk into a dark area or a park, no matter how drunk. Nor would you run in there being chased as though this was some B grade horror movie in which people make really silly decisions. You would scream and keep in the main public lit areas.

The intermittent screams were a vixen fox. No would be killer chases someone and allows them to keep screaming, the risk is too high, they would turn around and leave. Nor would they be assaulting someone for 15 minutes again allowing them to make a noise for others to hear. You don't fall into icy cold water and have the ability to keep screaming. Your breathe is taken away combined with the energy expenditure lost struggling to get out.

The single scream and slam is the possible abduction. Vehicle reported at the park area is the abductors going to a dark secluded place for a sexual assault. Possible strangulation of victim, body dropped into the park and vehicle driven out as not to arise suspicion of a car being there for an extended period. Abductor than re-enters the park to dispose of the body in the river and hide items in the bushes and runs out as witnessed.

This is the reason why other areas and only the park are being searched because the vehicle does not leave the area according to cctv and evidence.

The bushes searches could be due to clothing items discarded that would have floated on the water.

Sorry for the long post!

Possibly looking for keys?

 

[OrlandoJames]

Some great points, Steve.

Quick question though - has there actually been a vehicle reported at the park?

And I'm not yet totally convinced about the vixen. Your theory suggests that Libby may have been taken to the park and sexually assaulted. Pretty coincidental that the screaming was heard at the same time. Would be interesting to know if the witness has been played fox screams to see if he could have confused the two. I hear them all the time (and yes, the first time I thought something awful was happening) but I wouldn't get them mixed up with human screams now.

All that said, I still can't rule out the scream/bang scenario either. The back of Libby's house has a wooden gate. Her house backs onto Heathcote. I think it's quite possible she explained to PR she was locked out and he offered to help her get in via the back of the house. Once in that back alley he saw an opportunity and grabbed her - scream / bang. And then went to the park. The timings seem slightly off (but aren't concrete) but I do wonder if both scream incidents might be valid.

I hear them all the time too - there is a patch of public land at the bottom of our garden inhabited by a number of foxes - and I can't understand how anybody would mistake them for human screams. They sound completely different.

 

[Officer Dibble]

I was reading online about fox mating last night, it said the vixen will move around and emit screams and yips and mating lasts 15-20 minutes as will the noise - which would fit with the reports from a timing perspective

AND more likely in a park scenario than a street (though not impossible to be in both)

 

[mrjitty]

I don't think the video was enough - at least the video we have seen.

Just zeroing in on this

The video is easily enough if he did not have a convincing explanation for what happened next, especially as he did not come forward.

 

[Sally4x]

If she was as drunk as they say I want to know how she got across Beverley Road to get to the bench. There is a green man crossing near it, but would someone so drunk be able to use it? It is a busy road so did she meander through the traffic? Did someone help her? Did PR see her then?

 

[Strontium69]

09:51
Police officers are about to start another search at Oak Road playing fields
Our reporter at the scene says officers are preparing chainsaws ready to search the woodland areas and bracken around the area.

Libby Squire latest as search for Hull student enters 14th day

I was there at 8am this morning and there wasn't anywhere cordoned off.

 

[OrlandoJames]

Yeah and when you factor in they do it as this time of year, they are going to likely be in a park and their "scream" really does sound like the stereotypical blood-curdling horror scream and they will do a handful of times.

All that adds up imo. Versus someone being attacked and their attacker allowing them to scream.. stop.. scream again for a period of around 15 minutes. That makes no sense. They would have 1 or 2 long screams and then be silenced.

Not if an extended sexual assault was taking place.

 

[Officer Dibble]

Some great points, Steve.

Quick question though - has there actually been a vehicle reported at the park?

And I'm not yet totally convinced about the vixen. Your theory suggests that Libby may have been taken to the park and sexually assaulted. Pretty coincidental that the screaming was heard at the same time. Would be interesting to know if the witness has been played fox screams to see if he could have confused the two. I hear them all the time (and yes, the first time I thought something awful was happening) but I wouldn't get them mixed up with human screams now.

All that said, I still can't rule out the scream/bang scenario either. The back of Libby's house has a wooden gate. Her house backs onto Heathcote. I think it's quite possible she explained to PR she was locked out and he offered to help her get in via the back of the house. Once in that back alley he saw an opportunity and grabbed her - scream / bang. And then went to the park. The timings seem slightly off (but aren't concrete) but I do wonder if both scream incidents might be valid.

GENIUS Cags!!! Of course!! He is a burglar - he is going to know how to get someone into a house!

 

[Deleted member 238128]

I hear them all the time too - there is a patch of public land at the bottom of our garden inhabited by a number of foxes - and I can't understand how anybody would mistake them for human screams. They sound completely different.

I don’t know if there are different breeds of foxes that emit different sounds or what but I can honestly say that twice in my life I thought I heard a woman being attacked - once, I was right. Second time, it was a vixen.

 

[jamjim]

11:40
Pictures from Oak Road playing fields

Libby Squire latest as search for Hull student enters 14th day

 

[LillyGrace]

The police need to reveal more information to the general public that’s what I feel. And if they don’t have any info to provide then I’m afraid it’s a really really devastating state of affairs.