UK - London's Burning - Tottenham Riots, August 2011

[wfgodot]

can't they send in the military?

or is that something that "isn't done" over there?

Back in 2009 the Express treated with this issue just before the G20 Summit in London:

Last night Scotland Yard vowed it was ready to face any threat. A source said: “We do have a policing plan in place and we have riot police officers trained for such measures.”

Were that to be the case, the Government has a contingency plan to deploy troops on the streets of Britain’s major cities.

A senior source said: “This is a very real, and very serious, problem.

“I can tell you there have been crisis talks in Whitehall about this.

“Half the senior officers in Britain have been warning the Home Secretary about the dangerous effects that reducing police manpower may have this summer, especially in the industrial heartlands.

“We are not just talking about the problems of immigration and British jobs for British worker. We are also talking about mass unemployment.

“In many of our industrial cities, this will not be measured in the hundreds, but in the thousands. With unemployment, comes the risk of increased crime. Some forces, such as South Wales, have publically stated they would be swamped.

“Others are keeping it quiet, but you can be sure they are trying to make the Home Secretary listen, before it’s too late.”

http://tiny.cc/3r6ff

more at Daily Express link above

 

[badhorsie]

From Twitter but allegedly [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5XOu2BS0gk"]Bristol 30 minutes ago[/ame]

 

[wfgodot]

BBC's Tamsin Curnow, in Bristol: http://twitter.com/#!/curnow

Confirms damage to shops and cars "and bins set on fire."

 

[badhorsie]

From the Guardian website, police [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4pcbiO4flY&feature=player_embedded"]over run by rioters[/ame]

This is bound to affect the stock market too

 

[badhorsie]

Sony distribution centre in flames in Waltham Abbey, Bucks, possibly connected.
Disorder in Bristol City Centre confirmed.

 

[wfgodot]

bbc now reporting disturbance in Cabot's Circus, Broadmead, St Pauls, Stokes Croft & St Werburghs #Bristol #ukriots

--#bristol tweet; they're coming in thick and fast now: http://twitter.com/#!/search/#bristol

RT @BreakingNews Disturbances reported in #Bristol; rioters numbering about 150; also 'minor disturbances' in #Manchester - from BBC TV

http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/#manchester

Most tweets saying Manchester appears very quiet aside from one incident possibly unrelated to riots.

 

[mnegri1973]

This is so sad!! I was over in the UK two years ago to visit my sister. We took my nephews to the Cadbury factory in Birmingham and the we also had a sisters weekend down in London. I loved Soho and the entire west end!! Hoping things calm down over there across the pond and all UK members stay safe!!

Mel ~

 

[wfgodot]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/08/context-london-riots?CMP=twt_gu

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Images of burning buildings, cars aflame and stripped-out shops may provide spectacular fodder for a restless media, ever hungry for new stories and fresh groups to demonise, but we will understand nothing of these events if we ignore the history and the context in which they occur.

Excellent article; much more at sherbetjello's Guardian link above.

 

[wfgodot]

TV4 have a funny sense of humour, they're showing #aclockworkorange while droogs are setting fire to #London, #Birmingham & #Liverpool

One would have thought a programming change might be indicated.

 

[dsntslp]

In some of the videos I have seen it appears there is a helicopter doing circles over the riot areas. I wonder if this is a TV chopper and where is all of the video from that.

It surprises me we aren't seeing more user contributed video at sites like Liveleak.

Forgive me if this sounds ignorant, as I have zero knowledge of London, but don't most of the youth there have cell phones with cameras and computers? Can anybody explain why we aren't seeing a lot more video clips and by MSM especially? There is no censorship there right?

 

[For The Kids]

In some of the videos I have seen it appears there is a helicopter doing circles over the riot areas. I wonder if this is a TV chopper and where is all of the video from that.

It surprises me we aren't seeing more user contributed video at sites like Liveleak.

Forgive me if this sounds ignorant, as I have zero knowledge of London, but don't most of the youth there have cell phones with cameras and computers? Can anybody explain why we aren't seeing a lot more video clips and by MSM especially? There is no censorship there right?

Most kids have mobile phones and pcs here yes. There is no censorship here no but...remember there running from area to area and in some cases there are no cops around to stop anything. Its not safe for people to stand there filming the situation - one reporter was filming it on his iphone and these people went to him to try and get his phone and then chased him for it and he had to run for refuge to a nightclub. These people are trying to grab anything that moves...and they have weapons..its very dangerous out there

 

[dsntslp]

London Burns As Rioters And Looters Run Amok
http://news.sky.com/home/article/16045926
There is a twitter window that follows their reporters here.

Sky News videos here:
http://yourphotos.news.sky.com/gallery/LONDON-RIOTS/145807/#145776


Sky News Live:
http://news.sky.com/home#
Seems to be on a loop for now though.

 

[dsntslp]

Sky user submitted videos
http://uservideos.sky.com/site-skynews/

Sky reader submitted photos:
http://yourphotos.news.sky.com/

WOW! Beautiful pictures in a way but wow how horrible:
http://yourphotos.news.sky.com/gallery/LONDON-RIOTS/145859/#145848
http://yourphotos.news.sky.com/gallery/LONDON-RIOTS/145807/#145776

 

[christee]

Here is a link to the scanner thread for the rioting in London. Please remember that any discussion about what is heard on the scanner must remain in the scanner thread. :smile:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146740"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[Emma Peel]

um...

And where were all these unhappy people during the Royal Wedding? In school? Wasn't that a holiday?

:waitasec:

What difference does 2 months makes?

Asked with respect, and apologetic but obvious ignorance...

 

[Trino]

um...

And where were all these unhappy people during the Royal Wedding? In school? Wasn't that a holiday?

:waitasec:

What difference does 2 months makes? Asked with respect, and apologetic but obvious ignorance...

I'm just guessing that for the unemployed the Royal Weddling wasn't a holiday atmosphere. What we saw on TV was the positive side of events.

This reminds me so much of the riots in the US after MLK was assassinated. One would think the UK would call in the military, although 16 minutes ago Yahoo news reported there were no plans to do so. I can't see how they can just let hoodlums continue to destroy and loot homes and business.

 

[badhorsie]

Cameron back. Parliament recalled. More police on the streets tonight.
Please don't let us have a fourth night of this

 

[badhorsie]

26 yo man shot during riots in Croydon has died. I cannot find a link yet but it is breaking news on the BBC

 

[For The Kids]

um...

And where were all these unhappy people during the Royal Wedding? In school? Wasn't that a holiday?

:waitasec:

What difference does 2 months makes?

Asked with respect, and apologetic but obvious ignorance...

Because there just using what happened to that guy as a excuse to go mental. They didnt know the man or care...they just want to be pricks

And yes the day of the wedding was a public holiday here.

 

[For The Kids]

26 yo man shot during riots in Croyden has died. I cannot find a link yet but it is breaking news on the BBC

Great...that will flame them up ever more. Never mind the fact had he not been involved it couldnt have happened