UK - London's Burning - Tottenham Riots, August 2011

[badhorsie]

What the heck are "Feds"?

I keep hearing this and thinking WTF? Do they think they are in the 'hood, downtown NY?
TWATS

 

[For The Kids]

"Feds" is UK slang rudeboy/badman usage for the police.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=feds

Hmm thanks I can honestly say ive never heard the British Cops called that before although London seem to have a language of there own anyhow.

 

[dsntslp]

What the heck are "Feds"?

Over here in the U.S. "Feds" would be FBI etc...Over there, IDK, sorry.

 

[For The Kids]

I keep hearing this and thinking WTF? Do they think they are in the 'hood, downtown NY?
TWATS

Lol i know I mean I know they use it in America but we dont generally here.

 

[wfgodot]

BBC reporters in Salford say looters are breaking into Bargain Booze and the Money Sho on Hankinson Way. A BBC cameraman has been assaulted.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14449675

 

[wfgodot]

@WMPolice
West Midlands Police Some disorder in Wolverhampton city centre, shops broken into and High St, West Brom where 2 cars set on fire. Police in attendance at both.

http://twitter.com/#!/WMPolice/statuses/100970929722626048 (via Guardian)

 

[wfgodot]

6.02pm: James Meikle writes about the powers the police can use against rioters.

Curfews, bans on travel, assembly and "other specified activities", confiscation of property, with or without compensation, and most drastically, the deployment of armed forces on the streets to quell disorder are among options that can be introduced by ministers under the Civil Contingencies Act 2004.

Although ministers have appeared to rule out the use of troops, the sweeping powers in their locker can include "any provision which the person making the regulations is satisfied is appropriate" to protect human life, health and safety and protect or restore property and supplies of money, food, water, energy or fuel.
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more, at the Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/aug/09/london-riots-day-four-live-blog

CCA 2004 (Wiki)

 

[badhorsie]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8szRgIcYlY&feature=share"]This seems apt[/ame]

 

[wfgodot]

6.03pm: Half the shops in Kentish Town are shut up early, and all the supermarkets are closed except Tesco, where there are 30-deep queues at the check-out, Michael Hann reports. Police closed the Talacre park on Prince of Wales Road in mid-afternoon, and a local shopkeeper tells me there has been trouble in Queens Crescent, traditionally the toughest part of the area (long time white organised crime home turf). Another local says Queens Crescent has been sealed off. At the moment, all public transport is open - despite Twitter rumours to the contrary. For the moment, though the atmosphere is trepidatious, central Kentish Town remains peaceable, Michael says.

From the Guardian Live again.

 

[wfgodot]

And this, Billy Bragg taking it back from the National Front, EDL, and their ilk:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_GteXsRfPc"]‪Blake's Jerusalem by Billy Bragg‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

 

[wfgodot]

This just in:

6.08pm: Jeevan Vasagar reports on the Independent Police Complaints Commission's findings about the shooting of Mark Duggan, which sparked the first day of rioting in Tottenham on Saturday.

Mark Duggan did not fire a shot at police officers before they killed him, the IPCC said on Tuesday
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The IPCC said Duggan was carrying a loaded gun, but it had no evidence the weapon had been fired and tests were continuing.
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more of it at, yes, Guardian.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Oh great - just what they need to report right now. This is only going to stir the pot for tonight. I mean I know they need to report the findings - but does it have to be now? Couldn't they hold off for a day or so, until things kidna calm down?

 

[wfgodot]

Oh great - just what they need to report right now. This is only going to stir the pot for tonight. I mean I know they need to report the findings - but does it have to be now? Couldn't they hold off for a day or so, until things kidna calm down?

It's wise to announce it now and get the worst over with - sounds harsh to say but this could continue to fester then boil over for months, pardon the mixed metaphor. Also good with 16,000 police now in London. I worry about other regions though.

 

[For The Kids]

Oh great - just what they need to report right now. This is only going to stir the pot for tonight. I mean I know they need to report the findings - but does it have to be now? Couldn't they hold off for a day or so, until things kidna calm down?

The thing is it was illegal stlll for that guy to have that gun in the first place and the fact he had it implies he could use it. Yes its a shame the guy was killed BUT that does not remotely justify what has happened here in various parts of the country and Duggans own brother says the rioting is wrong.

 

[For The Kids]

It's wise to announce it now and get the worst over with - sounds harsh to say but this could continue to fester then boil over for months, pardon the mixed metaphor. Also good with 16,000 police now in London. I worry about other regions though.

In all honesty the only other place i can see trouble maybe starting is Bradford or Mossside it seems to be spefic types that are causing the problems ( horsie probably knows what I mean)

 

[Wise Old Owl]

In Miami Dade - here - there have been 8 police shootings (fatalities) in the past 6 months. Mostly in one neighborhood. Yes, it happens. They are all up at arms about it down there - demanding answers and investigations - but at least they don't riot anymore.

I guess you're right about putting it out there now but still. Such a shame.

 

[wfgodot]

1833: Riot police are surrounding the Mailbox building in Birmingham. Eight police vans are reportedly outside. Harvey Nicholls has boarded-up its windows. The Mailbox, home to some of Birmingham's most expensive shops, was attacked by looters last night.

1832: In West Bromwich cars there are reports of cars set on fire and rioting, also smoke coming from the Desi Junction pub.

This, plus live video, at BBC.

 

[badhorsie]

I am reading on Twitter that the EDL and BNP (nasty racist organisations) are out patrolling the streets now, 'cos that will help, yeah right

 

[wfgodot]

Back to the BBC again:

1911: Rioters have set fire to a Miss Selfridge shop on Market Street in Manchester city centre.

1909: Camden New Journal Reporter Richard Osley tweets: Islington "peace vigil" aimed at showing how residents are against riots has been called off due to police advice.

 

[wfgodot]

from Guardian, another interesting bit:

7.39pm: A grouping calling itself the North London Solidarity Federation (SolFed) has issued a statement in response to suggestions that anarchists are involved in disturbances.

SolFed, which describes itself as a federation of groups and individuals across England, Scotland & Wales, says in the statement:

We are not involved in the looting and unlike the knee-jerk right or even the sympathetic-but-condemnatory commentators from the left, we will not condemn or condone those we don't know for taking back some of the wealth they have been denied all their lives.

But as revolutionaries, we cannot condone attacks on working people, on the innocent. Burning out shops with homes above them, people's transport to work, muggings and the like are an attack on our own and should be resisted as strongly as any other measure from government "austerity" politics, to price-gouging landlords, to bosses intent on stealing our labour.

Tonight and for as long as it takes, people should band together to defend themselves when such violence threatens homes and communities.

live coverage continues at http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/aug/09/london-riots-day-four-live-blog