GUILTY UK- Major incident declared in Southport after multiple stabbings, 29 July 2024

[Dotta]

"There's even speculation
he planned the date of the attack in order to avoid a full life term.”

I bet!!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1882485806377443724

 

[Sweeper2000]

I actually do hope he is killed so all the families and little girls know they will never have to fear him being released.
He will never be rehabilitated and will do his utmost to create problems and try to manipulate and control anyone who comes into contact with him.

i want him to have many years inside an absolute hellscape before that happens.

wakefield will do it, put him next to maudsley

 

[Sweeper2000]

"There's even speculation
he planned the date of the attack in order to avoid a full life term.”

I bet!!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1882485806377443724

i thought that might be the case.being just a bit below 18 and involved in something like this should 100% be a wlo.

 

[Dotta]

"The 10 missed chances
to stop Southport killer Axel Rudakubana
before atrocity that shocked the world."

The 10 missed chances to stop Southport killer Axel Rudakubana

From the age of 13 the teenage killer, whose pre-meditated attack shocked the world, carried knives, was visited by the police on a number of occasions and attacked his own family.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Teignmouth 22]

i want him to have many years inside an absolute hellscape before that happens.

wakefield will do it, put him next to maudsley

Better still, put him in the same cell as Maudsley!

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

"The 10 missed chances
to stop Southport killer Axel Rudakubana
before atrocity that shocked the world."



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The 10 missed chances to stop Southport killer Axel Rudakubana

From the age of 13 the teenage killer, whose pre-meditated attack shocked the world, carried knives, was visited by the police on a number of occasions and attacked his own family.

www.dailymail.co.uk

How many more ticking timebombs, like him, are there out there? He can't be the only one where there were ten opportunities or maybe more to stop him. JMO

 

[sportstergirl]

I had wrongly assumed him to be 18 when he committed his atrocities. 52 years minimum is as good as it can get within the law. I can't ever see him being rehabilitated & think he will remain a danger for as long as he lives. He's got a target on him, some whole lifer with nothing to lose or someone out to make a name for himself has him in their sights.
Axel Rudukabana's life will be hell for the rest of his days. Guards can't watch him 24/7 & I'm sure some will "make a mistake". I hope he doesn't take the easy way out by suicide.

 

[Moonchild90]

Guards can't watch him 24/7 & I'm sure some will "make a mistake".

100 %
They will turn a blind eye

 

[Sweeper2000]

I had wrongly assumed him to be 18 when he committed his atrocities. 52 years minimum is as good as it can get within the law. I can't ever see him being rehabilitated & think he will remain a danger for as long as he lives. He's got a target on him, some whole lifer with nothing to lose or someone out to make a name for himself has him in their sights.
Axel Rudukabana's life will be hell for the rest of his days. Guards can't watch him 24/7 & I'm sure some will "make a mistake". I hope he doesn't take the easy way out by suicide.

he will be of the highest priority. that means he may even get devoted guards unfortunately exactly like maudsley. if they make a mistake they get sacked and its made so they cant make a mistake. the prison system knows how that works and seek to prevent it as duty of care. hes definitely a target though and lets hope resources are too stretched one day and then a mistake happens.

 

[Moonchild90]

Just a thought, he might be sent to YOI first (and there are 4 of them in England) and then be moved to CAT A high security prison when he's 21+...

 

[QB2022]

How many more ticking timebombs, like him, are there out there? He can't be the only one where there were ten opportunities or maybe more to stop him. JMO

Too many. I work in a job with deeply troubled children. We are failing thousands of children. Too many cracks to fall between. Too many services not wanting a child on their budget. Too many services overwhelmed.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Too many. I work in a job with deeply troubled children. We are failing thousands of children. Too many cracks to fall between. Too many services not wanting a child on their budget. Too many services overwhelmed.

i think thats the whole nhs and related services tbh its kinda normal for mh services though, the least funded sector of health services in the UK. I swear it was only properly integrated into the nhs in 2016? or was it new labour? i think mh is a particularly difficult thing to understand let alone deal with properly and yes your right currently too many cracks to fall through with no real coherent and guided or enforced pathways to follow. i thought reading the kyle clifford thing earlier should come under the mh act. its prior to any crime and you can still use powers within mh provisioning.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Good sentence, a little surprised to read on BBC that it's already being appealed by the local MP for being too lenient, given I've never heard of a 50+ year sentence in the UK before (anything over 40 is rare), and for someone so young, too; under the current system that's an incredibly long sentence, and completely deserved. I'm quite sure even IF the guilty party lives that long he won't be released, there's just no rehabilitating that level of evil. Throw away the key.

That appeal by the MP is absolutely pathetic, to be quite honest. It's nothing more than selfish virtue signalling by someone trying to get his name in the media. It is totally meaningless in any legal, moral or practical sense.

The guy isn't getting out. It really is that simple. He can't even apply for parole until he's nearly 80 years old! As you say, a 52 year minimum is unheard of in this country and is entirely appropriate to the circumstances. In fact, I'd be concerned that it may be subject to appeal as being too harsh given his age at the time he did it.

God, I hate politicians!

 

[Marantz4250b]

i thought that might be the case.being just a bit below 18 and involved in something like this should 100% be a wlo.

I very much doubt he had the presence of mind, let alone the intelligence, to realise that. Besides, I think that 21 is the threshold for a WLO.

 

[Skigh]

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That appeal by the MP is absolutely pathetic, to be quite honest. It's nothing more than selfish virtue signalling by someone trying to get his name in the media. It is totally meaningless in any legal, moral or practical sense.

The guy isn't getting out. It really is that simple. He can't even apply for parole until he's nearly 80 years old! As you say, a 52 year minimum is unheard of in this country and is entirely appropriate to the circumstances. In fact, I'd be concerned that it may be subject to appeal as being too harsh given his age at the time he did it.

God, I hate politicians!

I totally agree. I think that the MP had decided to campaign for a longer sentence well before the judge had even begun his summing up .
As you said ,selfish virtue signalling ..

 

[Kasmeer]

I very much doubt he had the presence of mind, let alone the intelligence, to realise that. Besides, I think that 21 is the threshold for a WLO.

I thought that until today, too, but apparently it changed recently:

"We will also give judges the discretion, in exceptional circumstances, to impose a whole life order on offenders aged 18 or over but under 21."

From Sentence lengths for serious offenders: Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022 factsheet

I think this certainly would have counted as exceptional circumstances and I believe the judge in this case would have done so had it been an option. Still by far the longest sentence I've seen (I did read it's not the longest ever; the Manchester arena bombing accomplice got 55), so the MP saying it's too lenient maybe needs to campaign for a change in the law on sentencing guidelines if he wants any more. I wouldn't disagree if he did that for all murders and violent/sexual assaults, as some starting points seem really too low (and IMO multiple crimes/victims should have consecutive sentences not concurrent). This one was a welcome amount however.

 

[Dotta]

I very much doubt he had the presence of mind, let alone the intelligence, to realise that. Besides, I think that 21 is the threshold for a WLO.

Hmmm...

He seemed to have enough "presence of mind" (quoting OP)
to "lead by the nose" whatever authority.

He did what he pleased, not bothered by anybody.

Until now, that is.

Besides,
it was the Judge who pointed out his minor age restrictions concerning the sentence.

The crime was committed a few days before this criminal turned to be an adult.

I doubt it was coincidence.
There was certainly "a method in this madness".

JMO

 

[bobbymkii]

I didn't even realise that it was possible for an offender under the age of 18 years old (albeit only by a few days) to get a minimum term anywhere close to 52 years. God knows what parole boards will be like in 52 years, many of the people who might decide whether or not this guy ever sees the light of day again have not even been born yet.

 

[Parker Knoll]

I think ( but don’t quote me ! ) it’s the longest sentence ever given to someone under the age of 18 in the uk.
And yes … Patrick Hurley isn’t blessed with brains.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Southport murders: minister backs law reform amid calls for whole-life term

John Healey says he hopes Axel Rudakubana, 18, spends rest of his life in prison for murder of three girls

www.theguardian.com

Yeh makes sense especially with starmer saying expect more.

It's such a shame they are too slow to ensure attendance at sentencing as well or make laws about it, we have had so many occasions in recent years if extreme levels of criminal who deserve it. I would say the victims should get the choice of forcing them to attend if they want them too.

If it was me I would build a soundproof box with restraints that minimise the movement of the person in them. Hands cuffed tightly to chair and head in a bag or box. Put it on wheels and wheel them in.