GUILTY UK- Major incident declared in Southport after multiple stabbings, 29 July 2024

[bbsaz]

“It is clear that this was a young man with a sickening and sustained interest in death and violence,” Ursula Doyle, the deputy chief crown prosecutor for the Mersey-Cheshire region, said outside the courtroom where Mr. Rudakubana entered his guilty plea. “He has shown no sign of remorse.”

Behind Killings at Girls’ Dance Class in U.K., a Boy Obsessed With Death

Axel Rudakubana, who killed three young girls in the Southport attack, appeared to have no particular ideology but was obsessed by violence and genocide, investigators said.

www.nytimes.com

The prime minister said the Southport attack "must be a line in the sand" and "nothing will be off the table" in the public inquiry.

'Terrorism has changed', says Starmer on Southport attacks

The prime minister says the UK faces a "new and dangerous threat" from extreme violence.

www.bbc.com

He sounds similar to Brianna Gheys murderers, esp the girl Scarlett. She was obsessed with killings and had a list

 

[Marantz4250b]

He sounds similar to Brianna Gheys murderers, esp the girl Scarlett. She was obsessed with killings and had a list

Yes. My feelings are that this was something far more to do with a lust for violence rather than any specific "terrorist" ideology. I think that the whole radical Islam thing was something more akin to an excuse he was searching for to be violent rather than being the primary motivation. If it weren't that it would be something else.

Luigi Mangione in NY is similar, I think. His alleged motivation was anti-capitalism but it seems that that was more of an excuse for violence rather than any deeply held beliefs.

 

[Ruby12345]

My original opinion was that rehabilitation for Axel was not realistic. After hearing more about his behaviour and and the fact that LE had contact prior to this event with Alex it is very clear that there really is no hope of rehabilitating him.

I am wondering if there is a medical diagnosis of autism. I’m also wondering if he has undiagnosed schizophrenia.

I don’t know what the judge will do about sentencing. His/her hands may be legally tied due to Alex’s age but IMO this monster will always be a threat to those around him even those in prison.

He should NEVER be among us to walk the streets again.

MOO

The article said he was assessed and has no mental illness. I'm guessing if he had been diagnosed the lawyers would have used an insanity plea.

 

[Dotta]

"The Southport killer, Axel Rudakubana,
bought a cache of deadly weapons,
including equipment to make the lethal poison ricin, on Amazon
at least two years before he murdered three young girls last summer,
it can be revealed.

• Warning: contains descriptions of violence that readers may find upsetting."

Southport murderer bought weapons and ricin-making equipment two years before attack

Axel Rudakubana bought items on Amazon to make lethal poison three years after he came to attention of authorities

www.theguardian.com

 

[Skigh]

Granddad of girl knifed in Southport says families were 'abandoned'

EXCLUSIVE: In a powerful intervention, he claimed the Southport families were let down by the authorities meant to protect their daughters both before and after the July 29 atrocity.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The grandfather of a girl who survived being stabbed by Axel Rudakubana yesterday demanded the sacking of everyone who failed to realise the deadly threat he posed.

In a powerful intervention, he claimed the Southport families were let down by the authorities meant to protect their daughters both before and after the July 29 atrocity.

Firstly in not doing more to stop the killer, whose obsession with violence and savagery had seen him referred to the Prevent anti-extremism programme three times.


And secondly in failing to divulge following his arrest that the Cardiff-born teenager was known to counter-terrorism police - and that deadly ricin was found in searches of his home following the attack.

He also angrily accused Sir Keir Starmer of 'choosing to protect himself' rather than allow the truth about the killer to come out earlier.

'I think that if, instead of doubling down on talking about the far right, he had come clean that this was a terrorist incident, things would have been different,' says the grandfather, who cannot be identified as all the surviving children have been granted anonymity.

'We were not looked after - we were pushed by the wayside.

'It became all about the riots and what happened to us was forgotten. We were abandoned.'

 

[Skigh]

Police blame CPS for gagging them on Southport knifeman's terror links

Sir Keir Starmer yesterday admitted he did 'withhold' information about the terrorist links of Axel Rudakubana from the public - but denied he was part of a cover-up.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Ministers have been accused of trying to 'cover up' the facts of the case last summer in a bid to calm public fury about the murder of the girls.

Shadow Home Secretary Chris Philp said the failure to be straight with the public created a vacuum in which dangerous misinformation took hold online which 'fuelled' last summer's riots. Mr Philp said there could have been 'more openness and transparency ... without prejudicing the trial'.

Yesterday the Crime Reporters Association complained to the Director of Public Prosecutions about the Crown Prosecution Service seeking to 'gag' Merseyside Police and instructing officers to 'stay silent' about the case as riots broke out last summer.

The CRA said the CPS had sought to prevent officers revealing details about Rudakubana's religion, which could have prevented false rumours turning into riots.

 

[Marantz4250b]

The article said he was assessed and has no mental illness. I'm guessing if he had been diagnosed the lawyers would have used an insanity plea.

Problem is that "insanity" and a successful plea of "not guilty by reason of insanity" are not always the same. A person may be absolutely bat s*** crazy but as long as they appreciate that what they did was wrong it isn't sufficient to get them found not guilty. From what we have heard there was never ever any possibility of that with him. He clearly knew that what he was doing was wrong.

 

[bbsaz]

The article said he was assessed and has no mental illness. I'm guessing if he had been diagnosed the lawyers would have used an insanity plea.

That's if he even engaged with psychiatrists post arrest. I read that he didn't at the police station, but whether he did on remand, we don't know yet. I get the feeling he hasn't engaged with anyone for years, so I doubt he's started now. I imagine he is silent 24-7 and deliberately ignores any instructions from anyone in authority

 

[Dotta]

I don't understand why he wasn't charged and put into Young Offenders Institution after attacking students and a teacher!!! (with a hockey stick) at school???

Also,
playing truant while in another school with only 1% of attendance

He seemed to be treated with 'kid gloves' and left to his own devices with tragic results.

Even producing poison at home
with nobody any wiser.

This is simply staggering.
SMH

JMO

 

[MollyHarps]

I don't understand why he wasn't charged and put into Young Offenders Institution after attacking students and a teacher!!! (with a hockey stick) at school???

Also,
playing truant while in another school with only 1% of attendance

He seemed to be treated with 'kid gloves' and left to his own devices with tragic results.

Even producing poison at home
with nobody any wiser.

This is simply staggering.
SMH

JMO

I used to work at a Pupil Referal Unit (schools for people who have been kicked out of mainstream School).

We had some pupils who had done far worse than attacking a student with a hockey stick.. it used to shock me that these children were still allowed to walk freely in society.

It’s common in PRUs for attendance to be very low - parents are often very uncooperative & unsupportive.

 

[MollyHarps]

Axel Rudakubana: Father stopped Southport killer from going to former school a week before attack - BBC News

The 18-year-old was known for having a fascination with violence and despotic figures including Hitler.

www.bbc.co.uk

Does anyone know if his dad reported to the police the fact he stopped him from attending his previous high school the week before?

I think if he didn’t then I think the father should face charges.

 

[bbsaz]

Axel Rudakubana: Father stopped Southport killer from going to former school a week before attack - BBC News

The 18-year-old was known for having a fascination with violence and despotic figures including Hitler.

www.bbc.co.uk

Does anyone know if his dad reported to the police the fact he stopped him from attending his previous high school the week before?

I think if he didn’t then I think the father should face charges.

I'm not sure he could report him to police, as he hadn't actually done anything. But assume he could/should have reported his concerns that day to CAMHS and/or social services. But these services are beyond stretched, so who knows if they had the capacity to respond. And he was seemingly unreachable by these services before, so I doubt they would have got anywhere that time either. He seems beyond help.

It feels like it was a foregone conclusion that he would end up doing something destructive. But can you detain someone because you very much think they are going to do something evil?!

 

[MollyHarps]

I'm not sure he could report him to police, as he hadn't actually done anything. But assume he could/should have reported his concerns that day to CAMHS and/or social services. But these services are beyond stretched, so who knows if they had the capacity to respond. And he was seemingly unreachable by these services before, so I doubt they would have got anywhere that time either. He seems beyond help.

It feels like it was a foregone conclusion that he would end up doing something destructive. But can you detain someone because you very much think they are going to do something evil?!

Surely though for him to stop the taxi suggests he was well aware of the threat?

 

[bbsaz]

I'm not sure he could report him to police, as he hadn't actually done anything. But assume he could/should have reported his concerns that day to CAMHS and/or social services. But these services are beyond stretched, so who knows if they had the capacity to respond. And he was seemingly unreachable by these services before, so I doubt they would have got anywhere that time either. He seems beyond help.

It feels like it was a foregone conclusion that he would end up doing something destructive. But can you detain someone because you very much think they are going to do something evil?!

Actually, thinking on, if he had had a Mental Health assessment and disclosed, then maybe they could detain him. But if he sat in silence and his Dad was saying, "I stopped him getting in a taxi to his old school, Im sure he had violence planned"...I don't know as I'm not a MH assessor, but I assume that's still not enough to detail someone under the MH Act?

 

[MollyHarps]

Actually, thinking on, if he had had a Mental Health assessment and disclosed, then maybe they could detain him. But if he sat in silence and his Dad was saying, "I stopped him getting in a taxi to his old school, Im sure he had violence planned"...I don't know as I'm not a MH assessor, but I assume that's still not enough to detail someone under the MH Act?

I think it would’ve warranted at least a search of his social media.. a search of his room.. a search of his possessions

All of these things could’ve stopped this attack imo..

Especially since he was already on the police’s radar

 

[bbsaz]

I assume we will never know the full details now as his parents won't disclose and the police probably can't. I would really like to know what his parents did in the weeks and months leading up to the events. He must have been a truly malevolent presence in their home.

He seemingly had little regard for his parents, keeping ricin in a tupperware box under his bed. There a very good chance I would find something like that under my kids bed and assume it was mouldy food and remove it. Is opening it enough to do damage, or would someone have to ingest it I wonder

 

[Dotta]

It seems to me that nobody had any control over him.
He did what he pleased to do without any consequences.
Like,
ordering knives online, producing poison which killed a neighbour's cat, not going to school, searching genocidal content in the Internet, etc...

What amazes me
is that it all happened while he was still a minor - under parents' care, their responsibility.

Well,
IMO the incidents:
- with a knife brought to school
- and later attack with a hockey stick should have been dealt with Police and later Family Court.

If parents are incompetent to take proper actions to curb the minor's wild/criminal behaviour,
then Family Court decides how to proceed.

Psychological evaluation, therapies, Court curators helping family,
or, in extreme situations,
institutions/correctional facility with education for troubled minors with behavioral problems.
Constant monitoring and assessment of undertaken steps.
Some can stay there until 21 of age, getting help, education and future job qualifications.

But he was just staying at home terrorizing everybody it seems.
What action was undertaken?
What therapy?
Being a recluse at home was not the answer to his problems.
Quite the contrary.
It deepened them.

Proactive approach seems to be the only solution.

JMO

Just My Teacher's Opinion
based on usual actions taken in my country when dealing with such problems.

 

[BexLuth0r]

I had a knife pulled on me in primary school. The school suspended the kid for a couple of days but their belief that the kid did this was "he liked me." The police were not involved. This was over 20 years ago and services were not as stretched as now.
I'd also say depending on what school he was in, they might have seen far worse than a kid being attacked with a hockey stick.
I'm curious as to whether his dad knew he had a knife when he was going to the school or if he had just implied that he was going to fight a kid. If he didn't know about the knife I could understand him not getting the police involved

 

[BexLuth0r]

I had a knife pulled on me in primary school. The school suspended the kid for a couple of days but their belief that the kid did this was "he liked me." The police were not involved. This was over 20 years ago and services were not as stretched as now.
I'd also say depending on what school he was in, they might have seen far worse than a kid being attacked with a hockey stick.
I'm curious as to whether his dad knew he had a knife when he was going to the school or if he had just implied that he was going to fight a kid. If he didn't know about the knife I could understand him not getting the police involved

 

[Alyce]

Sentencing will be live streamed this morning

Southport murders latest: Anger outside Liverpool court - as MP takes action over Axel Rudakubana's 'unduly lenient' sentence

Southport attacker Axel Rudakubana has been jailed for at least 52 years for the murder of three girls and the attempted murder of 10 more people at a dance class last July. Follow the latest. Warning: This live page contains distressing details.

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