Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #8

[JeremyBentham]

Interesting that NB Facebook page was only created in 2021. Did she maybe have another facebook account that she removed?

Quite possible that it was hacked so she created a new one. I know many people this has happened to.

 

[suzyjackson]

Interesting that NB Facebook page was only created in 2021. Did she maybe have another facebook account that she removed?

I think you can answer that yourself with a bit of digging, what are you thinking is the connection?

 

[Officer Dibble]

Just supposing there was a perpetrator causing abduction. What type of criminal profile would such a person have? How often are these types of crimes first offences? I know in the Libby Squire case the perpetrator was escalating from peeping tom to breaking in for perverted means. I don't know much about stalkers. Do they have previous attempts that escalate before they go the next level up in their crimes? I'm also wondering about any lower level peeping/stalking in the wider County that has, like Libby Squire, not been mentioned in the press. Just some thoughts I've been having. JMO MOO

 

[Sjöberg]

Bringing back a question by @Winterbells from the previous thread:

Has there ever been mention of a lead?
I can't imagine there not being a lead attached to the harness and if so, where is it?

So, has the lead ever been mentioned? I cannot reacall anything about it.
Surely, there is no point of a harness without it, at least not in that situation. So where is that lead and why?
@karakuchi repiled on the previous thread:

Interestingly, in the latest update to the official Police report:
The location of the leash & harness have been removed entirely

Not sure, what to make of it. And if there was one, like I assume there was, I wonder if it was a Flexi or a simple leash?

The police, in video source posted upthread, have said they can't give the full context to Peter F (expert) as yet, and when the time is 'right' they will. Putting everything together and seeing how quickly they acted at start, the answers, sadly, are all there.

Indeed. There are a number of areas that would be kept out of the public domain. Her health, personal life etc.

perhaps there were some deleted searches on the phone (or other device)

But who would take their beloved dog along if planning to jump and risk it getting lost or hurt alone?

I noticed this too as well as other things. Some family and friends have seemed very against this line of thought which is maybe why police are treading so carefully with public statements. Would be a very hard situation for them to come to terms with if it’s the case so it is understandable

While the accident theory is still high in my mind, my secondary theories start to nudge it. The dog was my main hesitation about any Voldemorts in this case. But considering that it might have been left in a place it loved and what would be the first place for the family to look for it, that might not be as dangerous to the woofer as it looks from the outside.

I take some odd comfort in the fact that organizing a playdate for the kiddos was one of the last things she did before she disappeared, it is a lovely little sad smile from the universe to the girls, whatever and however happened to their mum.

The last cryptic notes from MSM make my head spin, though

"That does not mean… that Nicola has not been in the river."

 

[Mollie123]

I don't believe it was ever named, just described as an abandoned building on his route to join the Sunday search party.
It was not on the day she went missing.
It was an organised search with friends on Day 3.

Thank you, do you have a link for that please

 

[I wonder]

...It seemed to take a while for the home images to be released (and this wasn't via the police was it?) yet the police were very clear that paying attention to the clothing was very important; why not release an image then? Either they don't have one but they also haven't appealed for any, or they do and there are other reasons- JMO.

"It’s really important that the public pay heed to those very specific clothing descriptions please, because factual sightings of those items would be very useful to us."

Taken as a direct quote from: Police reveal what missing dog walker Nicola Bulley was wearing before she vanished (along with many other MSM outlets).

Edited for specifics.

Initially, the police emphasised looking for witnesses in the area where Nicola was. There wouldn't have been lots of people there, so the verbal description was deemed sufficient.

I believe the CCTV footage was released after the police stated Nicola was in the river. The family disagreed and it made sense for them to release CCTV, so people elsewhere could recognise her.

The press conference appeal for sightings of Nicola were very specific in terms of her clothing etc. They will have received masses of calls from people certain they saw her, but she was wearing an orange coat, had long black hair, 6 foot tall etc and this was in July.

I think it's as simple as an attempted to cut down on inaccurate descriptions.

JMO MOO

 

[Coach]

Is it possible that a body could have made it over the weir into the tidal part and no longer in the river itself and be out in the open sea by now?

 

[Officer Dibble]

There’s been public posts questioning his likes & comments on NB’s FB for a good few days so I’d be surprised if they didn’t know.

but in the chaos of police enquiries reports get lost. ive seen this on numerous cases on WS here

 

[I wonder]

A possible reason for police being so sure the body is in the river could be because it has already been found but deliberately not recovered while there was a public audience.

This would certainly fulfil the definition of 'sensitive information'.

Hopefully this will be resolved soon.

All JMO.

What?

 

[steelo]

Hi all, first time poster, i've been following the comments fairly closely. I'm also an avid fan of true crime and police documentaries.
My gut instinct when I heard about NB's disappearance was that it must be an abduction. I'm sure there was a report initially stating the dog was found running 'along' Garstang Road, although the thought now is that is was found much closer to the bench. A dog would most likely follow it's owner i'm sure, likewise, if NB fell into the river then surely the dog would have jumped in after her or at least tried to follow the course of the river if she was visibly carried away.

Another thing I don't think has been mentioned previously is the possibility of NB wearing earbuds/airpods. If this was the case then her phone could have been muted/unmuted by tapping the earbud (mine do this along with controlling various aspects of the device they're connected to) so the work call could have been a group conference call where a manager/boss was just running through daily tasks/updates to which everyone was muted and just listening to. The earbuds coud've been noise-cancelling so any ambient sounds may have been reduced so NB may not have been able to hear someone approaching - if this was the case. If the phone did fall out of a pocket then bluetooth connections normally work best up to 10 metres (but could have been further in optimal conditions) so she could have been that far away from where the phone had been dropped and she would only have been alerted to the missing phone when the earbuds stopped transmitting. Maybe searching for her phone caused her to go into the water somehow meanwhile a dog walker leaving the area could've picked it up and placed it on the bench, albeit within 10-15m surely there would have been a sighting - this doesn't explain the lead/harness arriving at the bench however.

I hope that NB is found very soon and I also hope that this is, at worst, a horrible accident and there is no 3rd party involvement, albeit still horrific for the family but not as bad as it could be.

 

[Fishwick]

The last cryptic notes from MSM make my head spin, though "That does not mean… that Nicola has not been in the river."

I took this to mean that perhaps the body was in the river, but now out to sea. Agree the comment did come off a bit strange.

 

[kittythehare]

Thank you, do you have a link for that please

Timeline of events 7 days after dog walker Nicola Bulley mysteriously vanished

The mortgage adviser Nicola Bulley, 45, had dropped her two young girls off at school before taking her brown spaniel Willow for a walk along the River Wyre in the village of St Michael's, Lancashire

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Sherlook]

I don't think they're ignoring it as a possibility. It's just a statistical improbability because of how meticulously it would need to be planned and orchestrated.

Also maybe I've watched too many cop shows but If a criminal was clever enough to perfectly orchestrate this, it would strike them as having the kind of profile of someone who would want everyone to know that they planned the perfect crime so they would eventually expose they did it.

I agree if it was meticulously planned and orchestrated then the profile of this person would need to have some glory or recognition in the public realm, even if this public link acted just as a personal trophy to them....so public and obvious that no one can seem to see it....hiding in plain sight as it were

 

[Beginnersleuth]

There’s been public posts questioning his likes & comments on NB’s FB for a good few days so I’d be surprised if they didn’t know.

I thought I might’ve seen an interview on TV relating to this and just e mailed them.

 

[cottonweaver]

Have there been any other cases where someone has fallen into a river and not been found after 10 days - with searches and divers being on the scene within hours of the suspected entry point, helicopters (possibly using infrared), sonar and then specialist sonar scanning of most of the river?

I know people don't get discovered after weeks sometimes, but in those cases are the response times as quick as here, with a suspected entry point, and to this extent with all this equipment. Just curious, as I haven't followed many other cases like this.

I know about Libby Squire, but I don't believe the river searches started as quickly as here or if the same technology was used, or how different (or more difficult) that river was compared to the Wyre?

All rivers are different but here's some cases all collected in one article ( because six young people disappeared near two rivers in just 12 months)
Can't paste the contents but it has maps of last sightings and pinpoints position bodies were recovered from later ( 'later' ranges from over a week to five weeks later)
Article looks at three of the six victims cases in more detail and shows details of marine teams and searchers

How The Drowning Of Three Students In 14 Months Caused Durham To Lose Its Innocence

BuzzFeed News looks at the tragic circumstances surrounding the deaths of Sope Peters, Luke Pearce, and Euan Coulthard and explores what's being done to prevent further lives being lost.

www.buzzfeed.com

 

[Coach]

Is it possible that a body could have made it over the weir into the tidal part and no longer in the river itself and be out in the open sea by now?

and would it be possible for a body to become lodged and stuck in the weir?

 

[Fishwick]

How many abductions are there in the UK though? Attacks quite commonplace, but abductions very much not? Albeit accidental drownings fairly uncommon too.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

Bringing back a question by @Winterbells from the previous thread:

So, has the lead ever been mentioned? I cannot reacall anything about it.
Surely, there is no point of a harness without it, at least not in that situation. So where is that lead and why?
@karakuchi repiled on the previous thread:

Not sure, what to make of it. And if there was one, like I assume there was, I wonder if it was a Flexi or a simple leash?






While the accident theory is still high in my mind, my secondary theories start to nudge it. The dog was my main hesitation about any Voldemorts in this case. But considering that it might have been left in a place it loved and what would be the first place for the family to look for it, that might not be as dangerous to the woofer as it looks from the outside.

I take some odd comfort in the fact that organizing a playdate for the kiddos was one of the last things she did before she disappeared, it is a lovely little sad smile from the universe to the girls, whatever and however happened to their mum.

The last cryptic notes from MSM make my head spin, though

Exactly, it supports she was further downstream. IMO. & explains why they want to search there. Lead used to tie dog to bench, I assumed. Poss also assumed it was done by someone else before, tying & walking off (?) & this hasn’t been flagged again. Then dog eventually gets free/slips harness…

 

[WestLondoner]

I think there is an element of this, for me anyway. I know rivers can be deep, tricky and hold all sorts of unknowns. But in my mind I just think with today's technology, expertise and how quickly they were in the water I expect something to have been found. It just baffles me that there hasn't.

Agree. The river is a finite body of water that it is possible to search - it's not like she's lost somewhere in the Andes. You would think she'd be findable, but weirdly, although the dog and personal effects point to her having fallen into the water, there's no more hard evidence for that than there is for any other conjecture.

 

[ayrshireguy]

Any large-diameter extraction pipes on this part of the river?