Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #8

[SuzyQ70]

More and more questions as time goes on. I'm starting to see the whole bench-set-up thing as very handy - I mean, her things placed on a bench right by a 'deep water' sign. Like a series of over-obvious clues. Then again I've been reading non-stop about this for 12 days and might be losing the plot.

I'm with you on this one, don't know if i'm reading too much into it though!

 

[curiousbeaver]

Thanks..not sure.

There are mud flats visible at every low tide from Shard Bridge for probably a 2km stretch. The bridge is crossed by thousands of cars every day. Also it is a much more populous area around the estuary walked regularly by dog owners and birders. So either side of the bridge the mud flats will be seen daily probably by multiple people at low tide. Most in the area will be especially vigilant now given the awful circumstances.

 

[JeremyBentham]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1623327654358163458

He says here 1 mile upstream from the bench down to the weir and then a lower section after the weir down to a bridge. Not sure which bridge exactly, perhaps only the one in St Michael's as the next one is pretty far from what I can tell

I've just quickly mapped this out. The black line shows the starting point on the right, which is the bench area, to the left end which is Shard Bridge. So if that is the bridge PF is saying they have searched up to, you can see how much more there is before the sea. It's plotted as 6 miles on the map, but a straight line, but gives you an idea of distance and how much more there is.

 

[Eyespy666]

It would also explain the uncharacteristically rapid police response...Interesting! Having said that, her age does make it much less likely (though obviously not impossible)

But her youngest is only 6 years old. Given she’s 45 she started her family a little later in life. If she was a fit healthy strong woman it’s really quite possible. Especially if you consider what is available these days ( IVF etc)
JMO MOO

 

[bos]

I think a lack of clarity over disappearance could be a (?misguided) way of preventing others from feeling that they weren’t enough to stick around in their lives.
Through the prism of acting in what you think are in your family’s best interests , you may not be sure if life insurance would pay out if disappearance/death voluntary so obscuring the circumstances may help financially.
Thoughts that you are eliminating problems & helping your family can be overwhelming MOO

 

[kittythehare]

There are mud flats visible at every low tide from Shard Bridge for probably a 2km stretch. The bridge is crossed by thousands of cars every day. Also it is a much more populous area around the estuary walked regularly by dog owners and birders. So either side of the bridge the mud flats will be seen daily probably by multiple people at low tide. Most in the area will be especially vigilant now given the awful circumstances.

Thanks.

 

[brownbeef1975]

IMO, with all the extensive and specialist search efforts of the river taking place since the dissaperance, it now looks extremely unlikely that this can continue to remain the Police's main hypothesis. It will be interesting to see how much more effort, if any, they put into the river searches after PFs team have exhausted their efforts and just where their focus shifts in the investigation. All the publically available information from MSM and LE really only leave us with two options IMO: 1) Incapcitated (with/ without third party involvement) and still in the 1km search area 2) Voluntarily or involuntarily left the 1km search area undetected.

It seems clear they are willing to shift the narrative to NB being out at sea, as opposed to changing the main hypothesis. So still fell in river, but has, somehow, inexplicably, and outwith specialist understanding, made it out to sea.

 

[grey345]

9.33 - Dog walker found phone and lead/harness
10.50 - dog walkers family member went down, recognised dog, rang Paul
Shortly after - Paul rang police

So a big gap 9.33-10.50 where no witnesses of dog tied to bench and phone, is what TA is saying. “huge chunk of time not accounted for”

 

[MikeSky]

Has the abandoned house been searched?

 

[SuzyQ70]

9.33 - Dog walker found phone and lead/harness
10.50 - dog walkers family member went down, recognised dog, rang Paul
Shortly after - Paul rang police

So a big gap 9.33-10.50 where no witnesses of dog tied to bench and phone, is what TA is saying. “huge chunk of time not accounted for”

Thanks for that

 

[grey345]

Also that the abandoned house and outbuildings have NOT been searched.

Although I think this contradicts a police statement.

 

[suzyjackson]

9.33 - Dog walker found phone and lead/harness
10.50 - dog walkers family member went down, recognised dog, rang Paul
Shortly after - Paul rang police

So a big gap 9.33-10.50 where no witnesses of dog tied to bench and phone, is what TA is saying. “huge chunk of time not accounted for”

We already knew that didn't we? Isn't that why the 10 minute window has been questioned so many times, we knew the alarm wasn't raised until 10.50

 

[curiousbeaver]

I've just quickly mapped this out. The black line shows the starting point on the right, which is the bench area, to the left end which is Shard Bridge. So if that is the bridge PF is saying they have searched up to, you can see how much more there is before the sea. It's plotted as 6 miles on the map, but a straight line, but gives you an idea of distance and how much more there is.

View attachment 401232

I think they have only searched up to the road bridge in St Michaels, so a far shorter and more concentrated search.

 

[Gers76]

So no witnesses have came forward to say they seen the dog tied up from 9.33 till 10.50 ? And also that the buildings haven’t been searched oh my this just gets better

 

[CJS83]

It's not your fault but police made no reference to sensitive information at all.. it did not happen.
It was a chinese whisper that started here last night.
This is the presser.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1125413994816463

TRANSCRIPTION OF PRESS CONFERENCE

7TH FEBRUARY

Superintendent - Good afternoon

<snipped by me, to skip to press questions>
I've only kept the questions that refer to policing in the public eye, PF not being privvy to full details (as expected).
The words sensitive / withholding info have not been used to my knowledge.
But I accept that it could be inferred from the content, tone, or just the understanding that LE have access to far far more info then we, which is ultimately driving their investigation.

Reporter - Last night your independent expert, Peter Faulding told our channel that he did not believe that Nicola was in the water. He said he believes the phone could be a decoy, that there could be third party involvement. How helpful is that for you when the police are saying it's hypothesis is that she somehow fell into water and yet you've got part of the team investigating this case basically contradicting?

Superintendent - Well, I thank SGI for the help that they've given to the team. As I said before, our search has not found Nicola in the river and then a re-search, in parts, by SGI found the same. That does not mean, as I said a few minutes ago, that Nicola has not been in the river and in the light of other enquiries being discounted from the investigation so far, although we are keeping an absolutely open mind to anything new, then clearly our main belief is that Nicola did fall into the river. Clearly, Mr. Faulding isn't included within all the investigation detail, anymore than the members of the public are that I'm briefing through these sorts of press conferences. So we would ask that we be allowed time to continue with those enquiries and to release to the public only what is relevant for them at that time. Thank you.

Reporter - Are you (inaudible) today that the hypothesis that you're working with is that Nicola fell into the river and didn't leave the riverside, but obviously after the press conference last week her friends and family were very quick to come back and say actually there's a CCTV that is broken which we've seen a lot of reaction of that day and there's been observation made by the police "experts" (talking of police who are not part of the investigation giving interviews in MSM, I'm assuming!) who've said - how can the police at this stage, with the information that's in the public domain that they've read about through the newspapers or the rest of it, 'how can they rule out foul play'. So I just wondered what you would say to those concerns, raised by, kind of, other people who are observing this case externaly but also Nicola's family and friends about - have all those avenues thoroughly been checked to completely rule out that possibility?

Superindendent - As I said before, we will not be conducting all elements of the investigation in the public eye. You would not expect us to, that would not be the normal way things are done anyway, but I would like to reassure the community that nothing in this investigation so far, it has been checked out if it's come into it suggesting crime it has been checked out and discounted. So every single potential third party line of enquiry, any potential suspicious or criminal element has been looked at and discounted. Now people who observe and make comment on it in the media, even if they have experience of policing, clearly, are not in the enquiry team and will not be privy to all of that, but the fact that the National Crime Agency peer review has absolutely, wholeheartedly, not identified any other line of enquiry that we have not already started looking at or completed should give reassurance to the wider public.

Reporter - You mentioned that amateur investigators are trying to break into properties - Can you elaborate on that?

Superintendent - Well, there are some properties along the riverside which are empty or derelict and whilst it may be well-intentioned that people think that that could be a line of enquiry, I would ask them to desist from doing that. In some cases it may be criminal if they're breaking in and causing damage or committing a burglary. We have gone into derelict property, including ones on the riverside, any under renovation that are empty, with the permission of those owners and their knowledge. We have searched houses matching that sort of profile on the riverbank, including the grounds. Because there is no criminal element yet identified and we don't expect there to be in this enquiry, then we're not starting to go into houses, because that's not where the enquiry is leading us. Thank you.

 

[Piehead]

It was already known about the time between the person securing the dog and raising the alarm via daughter.

 

[Firstsnow4]

IMHO the last bit which is ended with !!!!

Just seen that bit too! I thought police had said otherwise!

 

[Justice_4_Holly]

Yes. She sent email to boss followed by text to friend prior to logging into Teams.
She met boss the evening before disappearing. He travelled to meet her from quite a distance away. Could be problems relating to work

Yeah, the meeting she needed to go to at the last minute the night before has always struck me as potentially relevant. Why did they need to meet in person? It could have been that they needed to sign forms or something, of course, but it could have been that they needed to talk in person because of something more sensitive (like work performance).

 

[Blamhappy]

So no witnesses have came forward to say they seen the dog tied up from 9.33 till 10.50 ? And also that the buildings haven’t been searched oh my this just gets better

We knew that first part already, surely?

 

[cottonweaver]

9.33 - Dog walker found phone and lead/harness
10.50 - dog walkers family member went down, recognised dog, rang Paul
Shortly after - Paul rang police

So a big gap 9.33-10.50 where no witnesses of dog tied to bench and phone, is what TA is saying. “huge chunk of time not accounted for”

It's gone over my head.
Are they trying to suggest that the police have never been interested in 9.33am - 10.50am because the speculation is that NB might have still been in the vicinity ( but not in the water) from 9.33am? even tho the 9.33am dog-walker found the dog alone, the phone there but no Nicola etc