Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #8

[Mycroft42]

9.33 - Dog walker found phone and lead/harness
10.50 - dog walkers family member went down, recognised dog, rang Paul
Shortly after - Paul rang police

So a big gap 9.33-10.50 where no witnesses of dog tied to bench and phone, is what TA is saying. “huge chunk of time not accounted for”

I'm more interested in the bit where she says Willow was found between the bench and the stile - I think there is only one stile and it's near the bench leading into the area between the bench and the weir. The bit that on google maps has some sort of vehicle tracks on (probably quad bike)

 

[ameliak]

9.33 - Dog walker found phone and lead/harness
10.50 - dog walkers family member went down, recognised dog, rang Paul
Shortly after - Paul rang police

So a big gap 9.33-10.50 where no witnesses of dog tied to bench and phone, is what TA is saying. “huge chunk of time not accounted for”

But this was always known? No new information.

 

[Themac101]

I'm not sure you can judge that from the top. You would need to see the underwater shape of the weir below the waterfall. They do vary.

https://britishcanoeing.org.uk/uploads/documents/Safety-at-weirs.pdf

I know of a lock on the Thames which has two weirs which to all intents and purposes look exactly the same. "A" weir has a special anti scour sill below it because it has a road across the weir and the "B" weir doesn't. If you were in the River and ended up in A weir you never get out of it but if you go into B weir you go straight across and carry on down the River.

I've seen this in action when large logs get caught in the A weir. They can stay there for days or weeks on the weir with the anti scour sill. Nothing ever gets trapped on the other weir. Look at the weirs and they seem the same.

It does seem unlikely there would be much structure below the weir in question but as there has been upgrade work there it isn't impossible it has a sill and the shape of the discharge below the weir is interesting in the Geograph picture.

I do know the Wyre, those two weirs aren't really comparable. The one down from the bench would have had a few inches of water flowing over it when she went missing.

 

[Blamhappy]

I feel sorry for the dog. It was left tied up without its owner for over an hour. No wonder it was agitated.

 

[DazN]

But this was always known? No new information.

Agreed. In my own theories, if NB avoided this person for whatever reason or by whatever means, there was 70 minutes unaccounted for, where nobody else found the dog so presumably nobody else came along. IMO

 

[wallaby]

9.33 - Dog walker found phone and lead/harness
10.50 - dog walkers family member went down, recognised dog, rang Paul
Shortly after - Paul rang police

So a big gap 9.33-10.50 where no witnesses of dog tied to bench and phone, is what TA is saying. “huge chunk of time not accounted for”

I thought this was pretty clear from the quotes and reports I’ve seen through the week, I’ve seen it reported multiple times the school called Paul Ansell at 10.50. My only question was did the daughter in law work at the school or call the school who called him, but that part didn’t really matter. The rest was pretty clear.

 

[wackyw]

9.33 - Dog walker found phone and lead/harness
10.50 - dog walkers family member went down, recognised dog, rang Paul
Shortly after - Paul rang police

So a big gap 9.33-10.50 where no witnesses of dog tied to bench and phone, is what TA is saying. “huge chunk of time not accounted for”

Are we missing a witness here at the 9:33 time ? I thought someone came across the scene, followed by a man who picked up the phone and put it on the bench, or similar.

 

[Casseus]

Other than the string I thought we knew the rest already

IMO after the CCTV of her before the school run was released, there were pages on this thread of people picking apart her outfit. Saying it didn’t match. That’s explained. The lead and harness, that’s explained. The woman who first found the dog who went home for the appointment is explained (Which is something I was stuck on personally as the information regarding her was blended into reports of dog walkers and it didn’t make sense) she also points out the large time gap between willow being found at 9:33 and the 10:50 call to Paul. I have thought about that non stop. That’s such a long time for the poor dog to be there alone! And no one else has come upon her. It seemed a busy area but she was left unattended for an hour until the daughter arrived and recognised the screen saver. To me that’s a really big gap of time where it was obvious no one was in that bench/gate area (unless they haven’t come forward to say they saw the dog alone and tied up) .

 

[JumpingFrog]

So no witnesses have came forward to say they seen the dog tied up from 9.33 till 10.50 ? And also that the buildings haven’t been searched oh my this just gets better

Exactly. Not a good look at all.

 

[grey345]

I think the abandoned house and outbuildings NOT being searched is the big “!!!!!”news. Which contradicts police statements.

Although I can see why she thinks the lack of witnesses or appeals for witnesses between 9.33-10.50 is odd. I thought it was a busy walk. Implication that the 9.33 witness could be unreliable? Who knows.

 

[JimmyBets]

Just seen that bit too! I thought police had said otherwise!

This is the second time that the family or someone posting with their permission have totally contradicted what the police have said in one of their press conferences .

Edit by me to remove a random symbol

 

[Blamhappy]

IMO after the CCTV of her before the school run was released, there were pages on this thread of people picking apart her outfit. Saying it didn’t match. That’s explained. The lead and harness, that’s explained. The woman who first found the dog who went home for the appointment is explained (Which is something I was stuck on personally as the information regarding her was blended into reports of dog walkers and it didn’t make sense) she also points out the large time gap between willow being found at 9:33 and the 10:50 call to Paul. I have thought about that non stop. That’s such a long time for the poor dog to be there alone! And no one else has come upon her. It seemed a busy area but she was left unattended for an hour until the daughter arrived and recognised the screen saver. To me that’s a really big gap of time where it was obvious no one was in that bench/gate area (unless they haven’t come forward to say they saw the dog alone and tied up) .

I assume no one else passed by.

 

[Piehead]

But wasn't the dog found to be free again the second time it was found?

 

[ginnyw]

I don't understand why it took so long for the family of the first person to discover Willow, to come down and attend to her. Also it's quite lucky that the mobile phone was still on the bench (IMO) and hadn't been stolen. I think that the one line which really stands out for me and has done all along is (and I know I can't directly quote it) the line about Willow being found all het up between the bench and the stile. NOT the bench and the river. IMO this is deeply significant.

 

[Moirasrosegarden]

I feel sorry for the dog. It was left tied up without its owner for over an hour. No wonder it was agitated.

It was agitated before it was tied up

 

[brownbeef1975]

I feel sorry for the dog. It was left tied up without its owner for over an hour. No wonder it was agitated.

Tying the dog up certainly prevented it from doing anything from that point forwards.

 

[Blamhappy]

It was agitated before it was tied up

Yeah, fair dos. Even more so after that wait though, I'm sure.

 

[JumpingFrog]

<modsnnip - quoted post was removed>poor Willow, she must have been so stressed. Secondly, why no more walkers (although I've thought this for a while) - supposed to be a popular dog walking and fishing spot? Thirdly, just because NB wasn't around at 9:33am does not mean that she wasn't in the near vicinity or returned nearby/moved around closeby in that timeframe (maybe not of her own accord, maybe under duress) jmo speculation etc

 

[hedgetog]

Also that the abandoned house and outbuildings have NOT been searched.

Although I think this contradicts a police statement.

This is what was said:

Ms Riley told reporters: ‘There are some properties along the riverside which are empty or derelict.

‘Whilst it may be well intentioned that people think that that could be a line of inquiry, I would ask them to desist from doing that.

‘In some cases it may be criminal if they are breaking in and causing damage or committing a burglary.’

Supt Riley said officers have searched derelict riverside properties with the permission of owners.

She added: ‘Because there is no criminal element yet identified, and we don’t expect there to be in this inquiry, then we’re not starting to go into houses because that’s not where the inquiry is leading us.’

'Vigilantes' searching for Nicola Bulley warned not to break into empty building

In a press conference yesterday, Lancashire Constabulary said it ‘will not tolerate’ anyone who takes the law into their hands.

metro.co.uk

I don't think this is contradictory. The police aren't specifying which properties they have searched, just that they have searched some with permission from owners. It may be the view of others that x or y should have been searched, but as even TA says and the police reiterate, as its not a criminal investigation then they are limited and rightly so IMO.

 

[Beginnersleuth]

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IMO after the CCTV of her before the school run was released, there were pages on this thread of people picking apart her outfit. Saying it didn’t match. That’s explained. The lead and harness, that’s explained. The woman who first found the dog who went home for the appointment is explained (Which is something I was stuck on personally as the information regarding her was blended into reports of dog walkers and it didn’t make sense) she also points out the large time gap between willow being found at 9:33 and the 10:50 call to Paul. I have thought about that non stop. That’s such a long time for the poor dog to be there alone! And no one else has come upon her. It seemed a busy area but she was left unattended for an hour until the daughter arrived and recognised the screen saver. To me that’s a really big gap of time where it was obvious no one was in that bench/gate area (unless they haven’t come forward to say they saw the dog alone and tied up) .

It’s a really weird picture - a long time for anything to have happened re abduction etc and a long time for her not to be missed by PA at home. Unless he had - we don’t know if he’d texted her or anything or if she’d normally/regularly go somewhere that’s not home after the walk.
Wonder if there’s other witnesses between 9:33-10:50