UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #18

[notsure]

This makes me wonder tbh,


“became aware of Dr Gibbs asking where I was - it was discussed then, obviously...I was concerned that I was going to be a problem"

Highlighted, Odd thing to say
JMO

I wonder if that could be a typo by the reporter.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

11:47am

Letby said after a diffiult day at work, she would 'seek reassurance', including a doctor colleague, and she would seek information about some debriefs when babies had died in which she had been involved in their care.
Letby says she had started working on a neonatal unit in January 2012. She continued her training across a range of skills over the following years.
In May 2015 there was a course for medicine administration via a bolus at the hospital, where - under supervision from a doctor - nurses would be able to administer medication via a long line.
She said it was "different", and a "lot more risk", and said she was "competent" having done that training.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Thursday, April 27

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

Maybe the wanting reassurance (ie time and attention) from the doctor colleague is a motive in and of itself. A form of attachment. JMO MOO

 

[marynnu]

I'm not sure banging on abouthow good LL was at being a nurse as surely it takes away any likelihood of accidental errors

Quite. I suppose she just has to tell the truth! I've always felt LL was perfectly competent and was obviously a good person to have around in a crisis. Problem is, why were there crises in the first place?

 

[Jazmania]

I’m correct in thinking that she said she wrote the nge note before police involvement right? Why implicate herself when it’s not necessary and if she lied about the shredder why not lie about the note? There is no gain for her in saying she wrote it in July 2016 so presumably is telling
the truth about that?

The other alternative is that the pressure of the police interview has made her slip up and make a mistake, allowing her to incriminate herself. That is one of the aims of police interviews, to make suspects say things that can then be later be demonstrated to be false.

What is notable is that she says she wrote this note just weeks after being removed from clinical duties, shortly after meeting with the head of nursing who said she and others would have to redo their competencies. So at this point there was no police involvement, and no suggestion from the trust or staff that they suspected her of deliberately harming babies. What the police interviewer has expertly done is question why this would lead to her writing things like 'I am an evil and horrible person', and 'I killed them on purpose because I'm not good enough' and 'I will never have a family'. These seem like extreme reactions to this suggestion. Why would she not have a family because she had been redeployed, even if she lost her job as a nurse, why would this stop her having a family? Even if her colleagues thought she was incompetent, why would this cause them to think she was evil?

 

[magikarpmagikarp]

But 257?

I'm not saying it's rational. I'm saying that is one the irrational ways of thinking that might lead someone to have 257 hand off sheets and say it's because they didn't know what to do with it.

 

[JosieJo]

I’ll never have children or marry, I’ll never know what it’s like to have a family.”

The detective asked: “What did you mean by that Lucy?”

Letby replied: “Just that I’d never meet anybody and therefore I’d never have a family.

“Because nobody would want to. If you say to somebody you had to be redeployed then people make assumptions, don’t they, and if my practice had caused these problems then I wouldn’t deserve to have children myself.”

The detective said: “Purely because you had been redeployed off one unit?”


I think this a fair point ? Feeling you would never marry and have kids because you were redeployed?

Lucy Letby wrote note because ‘everything got on top of me’

A nurse accused of murdering seven babies told police “everything had got on top of me” when she wrote: “I killed them on purpose.”

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

If I were innocent and asked if I killed Baby *, I would reply "no, of course not, I couldnt hurt a baby, I would never do anything like that, oh god, I cant believe anyone would think I could, those poor babies etc...". Throughout her interviews, she seems to reply to triggering questions with "no"

Maybe we would all behave differently in that situation, but I find her responses quite nonchalent and cavalier. Shes too calm and controlled.

(Jmo)

I think we need to take into account she could be heavily medicated and have been so for a long time now. Also possibly under guidance from her legal advisors not to show emotion. JMO MOO

 

[Sweeper2000]

I’ll never have children or marry, I’ll never know what it’s like to have a family.”

The detective asked: “What did you mean by that Lucy?”

Letby replied: “Just that I’d never meet anybody and therefore I’d never have a family.

“Because nobody would want to. If you say to somebody you had to be redeployed then people make assumptions, don’t they, and if my practice had caused these problems then I wouldn’t deserve to have children myself.”

The detective said: “Purely because you had been redeployed off one unit?”


I think this a fair point ? Feeling you would never marry and have kids because you were redeployed?

Lucy Letby wrote note because ‘everything got on top of me’

A nurse accused of murdering seven babies told police “everything had got on top of me” when she wrote: “I killed them on purpose.”

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

Catastrophising, normal for many. People. Picturing all the possible scenarios that just happen to involve the worst possible outcomes. Aga is probably her being a bit neurotic.

 

[Jazmania]

The majority of the papers were in folder/s in her house, revealed in the interviews read today.

Has this been revealed? I must have missed this. I Know Letby responded that she would have put the papers in a folder, but I don't think it has been confirmed where the other 200 odd notes were found.

 

[Sundial]

11:22am

Letby says a lot of staff were "feeling the strain, physically and emotionally", and staff were not offered enough support, and there were issues with equipment availability on the unit.
"I felt there wasn't a good management support structure...that was my personal opinion."
She said the unit was "quite bottom heavy" with a lot of new starters, plus staff on sick leave.
She says no staff intentionally gave poor care at the unit.
Letby says while equipment availability was an issue, it was not the cause of any initial collapses of the babies.
She said if staffing was "better" in terms of numbers, the care could have been better. Child Q was an instance, Letby says, where she was stretched between caring for babies in room 1 and 2.
She says for one of the babies, it was "quite chaotic" when resuscitating.

11:24am

Letby said she was made aware in May 2016, formally, of the higher mortality rate among babies, and that was when she was moved to day shifts.
She said she first noted it was unusual to have a high mortality rate on the unit in June 2015, when three babies died.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Thursday, April 27

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

Letby said she was made aware in May 2016, formally, of the higher mortality rate among babies, and that was when she was moved to day shifts.
She said she first noted it was unusual to have a high mortality rate on the unit in June 2015, when three babies died.

Strange that because when discussing the first 3 deaths with her colleague and colleague said it was odd, ll was completely indifferent about the whole thing and explained it away.

 

[JosieJo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1651536782285053954

 

[Sweeper2000]

The other alternative is that the pressure of the police interview has made her slip up and make a mistake, allowing her to incriminate herself. That is one of the aims of police interviews, to make suspects say things that can then be later be demonstrated to be false.

What is notable is that she says she wrote this note just weeks after being removed from clinical duties, shortly after meeting with the head of nursing who said she and others would have to redo their competencies. So at this point there was no police involvement, and no suggestion from the trust or staff that they suspected her of deliberately harming babies. What the police interviewer has expertly done is question why this would lead to her writing things like 'I am an evil and horrible person', and 'I killed them on purpose because I'm not good enough' and 'I will never have a family'. These seem like extreme reactions to this suggestion. Why would she not have a family because she had been redeployed, even if she lost her job as a nurse, why would this stop her having a family? Even if her colleagues thought she was incompetent, why would this cause them to think she was evil?

Yehhh I know. Very strange but if it was written after the meeting where she was told people thought she was responsible for the collapses?

 

[Eloise]

I’ll never have children or marry, I’ll never know what it’s like to have a family.”

The detective asked: “What did you mean by that Lucy?”

Letby replied: “Just that I’d never meet anybody and therefore I’d never have a family.

“Because nobody would want to. If you say to somebody you had to be redeployed then people make assumptions, don’t they, and if my practice had caused these problems then I wouldn’t deserve to have children myself.”

The detective said: “Purely because you had been redeployed off one unit?”


I think this a fair point ? Feeling you would never marry and have kids because you were redeployed?

Lucy Letby wrote note because ‘everything got on top of me’

A nurse accused of murdering seven babies told police “everything had got on top of me” when she wrote: “I killed them on purpose.”

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

Its not very logical, imo. Plenty of incompetent (at their jobs) people get married! I don't think most men taking out a woman on a first date wants to know her resume...

I think you'd only worry about such a thing if you'd done something deliberately wrong, not just been a bit bad at your job. After all, plenty of people move into new jobs all the time because their old ones didn't suit.

Unless of course, she was thinking of specific men she already knew.

 

[JosieJo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1651536782285053954

Police: "(You wrote) 'I did this, why me, I did this'. ”What did you do?"
LL: "I don’t know. I felt the situation had been caused by them implying that I hadn’t been competent"
Police: "Lucy were you responsible for the death of these babies?"
LL: "No".

 

[Sundial]

Well, that's the theory of handover sheets being taken home to protect herself from victimisation blown out of the window, I would say. Surely she would have said if that were the case?

This makes no sense to me:

'She is asked about 'a large quantity of handover sheets' at Letby's home address. She replies there was "no specific reason" why she had taken them home.

She said she would have been aware she still had the handover sheets when she got home, and put them in a folder in the spare room.

She said she "didn't know how to dispose of them" and no-one else had seen them.'

She said she "didn't know how to dispose of them" and no-one else had seen them.'

Said no nurse ever when considering confidential patient information. Seriously this is just messed up.
JMO

 

[Tortoise]

Has this been revealed? I must have missed this. I Know Letby responded that she would have put the papers in a folder, but I don't think it has been confirmed where the other 200 odd notes were found.

yes, you're right, it's her words.

we don't know where they were then, but over 200 weren't in the bags under bed or in the 'keep' box at her parents'.

 

[Sweeper2000]

She said she "didn't know how to dispose of them" and no-one else had seen them.'

Said no nurse ever when considering confidential patient information. Seriously this is just messed up.
JMO

She might simply mean dispose of them through the proper routes.

 

[Popcorn80]

All these handover sheets,no shredder, no means of taking them back to work. I definitely would have had a bonfire!

 

[Jazmania]

yes, you're right, it's her words.

we don't know where they were then, but over 200 weren't in the bags under bed or in the 'keep' box at her parents'.

Yeah, it would be useful to know where they were found. It would tell us for sure whether the trial babies were deliberately sorted into the two bags and separated from the rest. I know that the Morrisons bag contained other babies not part of the trial, it would be useful to know whether these were other babies sent to Dr Evans for review, but I suppose we won't find this out.

 

[ColourPurple]

I’ll never have children or marry, I’ll never know what it’s like to have a family.”

The detective asked: “What did you mean by that Lucy?”

Letby replied: “Just that I’d never meet anybody and therefore I’d never have a family.

“Because nobody would want to. If you say to somebody you had to be redeployed then people make assumptions, don’t they, and if my practice had caused these problems then I wouldn’t deserve to have children myself.”

The detective said: “Purely because you had been redeployed off one unit?”


I think this a fair point ? Feeling you would never marry and have kids because you were redeployed?

Lucy Letby wrote note because ‘everything got on top of me’

A nurse accused of murdering seven babies told police “everything had got on top of me” when she wrote: “I killed them on purpose.”

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

Exactly!, being redeployed to an office job wouldn't stop you marrying or having kids at all. Being given a whole life sentence for mutiple murders would though (if guilty)

JMO