VERDICT WATCH UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #29
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If jury have been deliberating for 8 days (not including break days) and were asking for agreed statements on Child H today, to be re-read by the judge, then is it possible they have agreed to indicatively spend 1 day on each case, (A-H over 8 days) which means 6 days of further deliberation to reach case N? If that is number of days deliberated so far (haven't been following closely), I anticipate 4 August, Friday to be a crunch-date, if not before.
This is because as a heuristic, we could say they may have loosely set out to spend different times for each case based on complexity and charge number or severity, but averaging out as 1 day per child case (all charges).
14-15 days of deliberation gives three weeks to have deliberated, a round number.
I think we are certainly more than 50% of the way through the process.
Having said that, I think the verdict may be sooner.
This is because I have carried out some research (admittedly using chat gpt) and developed the prompts given to chat gpt to produce the following table. The table (purportedly?) shows trials of considerable length, and/or heinousness for want of better words.
For the data that was found, the longest deliberation was 8 days for the Phone Hacking scandal, followed by 6 days for Shipman. Again, I have not cross-checked these numbers, so they are not in any way quality assured, I've just engineered the prompts and tidied the presentation a little in excel.
Although the evidence and charges might have been a lot more clear in the trials listed, the data below does tend towards the idea of shortish deliberations, even in very serious matters. However, this cannot be read as a true average because of the potential for data error from chat gpt.
This cannot then be used either as evidence to suggest a relationship between trial length (also shown) against deliberations, but if one were to attribute the idea of a relationship or association that even extremely lengthy trials, and those involving SKs are generally deliberated on for <8 days, this would tell us where the Letby trial would be now - and it would then be associated with crunch-time, or beyond.
This is because as a heuristic, we could say they may have loosely set out to spend different times for each case based on complexity and charge number or severity, but averaging out as 1 day per child case (all charges).
14-15 days of deliberation gives three weeks to have deliberated, a round number.
I think we are certainly more than 50% of the way through the process.
Having said that, I think the verdict may be sooner.
This is because I have carried out some research (admittedly using chat gpt) and developed the prompts given to chat gpt to produce the following table. The table (purportedly?) shows trials of considerable length, and/or heinousness for want of better words.
For the data that was found, the longest deliberation was 8 days for the Phone Hacking scandal, followed by 6 days for Shipman. Again, I have not cross-checked these numbers, so they are not in any way quality assured, I've just engineered the prompts and tidied the presentation a little in excel.
Although the evidence and charges might have been a lot more clear in the trials listed, the data below does tend towards the idea of shortish deliberations, even in very serious matters. However, this cannot be read as a true average because of the potential for data error from chat gpt.
This cannot then be used either as evidence to suggest a relationship between trial length (also shown) against deliberations, but if one were to attribute the idea of a relationship or association that even extremely lengthy trials, and those involving SKs are generally deliberated on for <8 days, this would tell us where the Letby trial would be now - and it would then be associated with crunch-time, or beyond.
| Trial Name | Year | Estimated Number of Days of Trial* | Jury Deliberation Time (Hours) | Deliberation (Days) | Main Charges |
| The Murder Trial of Donald Neilson (The Black Panther) | 1976 | Approx. 40 days (about 2 months) | Not Available | Not Available | Multiple counts of murder and armed robbery |
| The Murder Trial of Fred West | 1994 | Approx. 50 days (about 2.5 months) | Not Available | Not Available | Multiple counts of murder |
| The Murder Trial of Colin Ireland (Gay Slayer) | 1993 | Approx. 30 days (about 1.5 months) | Not Available | Not Available | Multiple counts of murder |
| The Murder Trial of Dennis Nilsen | 1983 | Approx. 20 days (about 1 month) | Not Available | Not Available | Multiple counts of murder |
| The Murder Trial of David Copeland (London Nail Bomber) | 2000 | Approx. 30 days (about 1.5 months) | Not Available | Not Available | Multiple counts of murder and causing explosions |
| The Hutton Inquiry (Iraq Dossier) | 2003-2004 | Approx. 120 days (about 6 months) | Not Available | Not Available | Inquiry into the circumstances surrounding the death of Dr. David Kelly |
| The Leveson Inquiry (Media Ethics) | 2011-2012 | Approx. 200 days (about 10 months) | Not Available | Not Available | Inquiry into the culture, practices and ethics of the British press |
| The BCCI Collapse Trial | 1991 | Approx. 625 days (about 31 months) | Not Available | Not Available | Fraud |
| The McLibel Case | 1986-1997 | Approx. 313 days (about 15.6 months) | Not Available | Not Available | Libel |
| The Guinness Fraud Trial | 1990-1992 | Approx. 365 days (about 18 months) | Not Available | Not Available | Fraud |
| The Matrix Churchill Trial | 1992 | Approx. 60 days (about 3 months) | Not Available | Not Available | Export of defence equipment without a licence |
| The Jubilee Line Underground Trial | 2005 | Approx. 365 days (about 18 months) | Not Available | Not Available | Conspiracy to defraud |
| The Alexander Litvinenko Inquiry | 2015 | Approx. 150 days (about 7.5 months) | Not Available | Not Available | Inquiry into the death of Alexander Litvinenko |
| The Grenfell Tower Inquiry | 2018-ongoing | Approx. 400 days (about 20 months) as of 2021 | Not Available | Not Available | Inquiry into the Grenfell Tower fire |
| The Saville Inquiry (Bloody Sunday) | 1998-2010 | Approx. 434 days (about 21.7 months) | Not Available | Not Available | Inquiry into Bloody Sunday incident in Northern Ireland |
| The Phone Hacking Trial | 2014 | Approx. 240 days (about 8 months) | 64 | 8 | Phone hacking, misconduct in public office, and perverting the course of justice |
| The Harold Shipman Trial | 2000 | 57 days (about 2 months) | 48 | 6 | Multiple counts of murder |
| The Murder Trial of Ian Huntley (Soham Murder Trial) | 2003 | Approx. 30 days (about 1.5 months) | 32 | 4 | Double murder |
| The Milly Dowler Murder Trial | 2011 | Approx. 50 days (about 1.5 months) | 30 | 4 | Murder |
| The Murder Trial of Dale Cregan | 2013 | Approx. 80 days (about 4 months) | 16 | 2 | Multiple counts of murder and attempted murder |
| The Murder Trial of Levi Bellfield | 2008 | Approx. 60 days (about 2 months) | 16 | 2 | Multiple counts of murder |
| The Murder Trial of Robert Black (Child Serial Killer) | 1994 | Approx. 35 days (about 1.5 months) | 16 | 2 | Multiple counts of murder |
| The Murder Trial of Jeremy Bamber | 1986 | Approx. 40 days (about 2 months) | 9 | 1 | Multiple counts of murder |
| The Stephen Lawrence Murder Retrial | 2012 | Approx. 45 days (about 2 months) | 8 | 1 | Murder |
| The Murder Trial of John Duffy and David Mulcahy (Railway Killers) | 2000 | Approx. 60 days (about 3 months) | 8 | 1 | Multiple counts of rape and murder |
| The Rose West Trial | 1995 | 31 days (about 1 month) | 8 | 1 | Multiple counts of murder |
| The Murder Trial of Steve Wright (Suffolk Strangler) | 2008 | Approx. 40 days (about 2 months) | 6 | < 1 day | Multiple counts of murder |
| The Murder Trial of Peter Sutcliffe (The Yorkshire Ripper) | 1981 | Approx. 40 days (about 2 months) | 6 | < 1 day | Multiple counts of murder |
| The Murder Trial of Mark Bridger (April Jones Murder) | 2013 | Approx. 30 days (about 1.5 months) | 4.5 | < 1 day | Murder and abduction |
| The Murder Trial of Michael Stone | 2001 | Approx. 30 days (about 1 month) | 4.5 | < 1 day | Double murder and attempted murder |
| The Murder Trial of Beverley Allitt (Child Nurse Killer) | 1993 | Approx. 40 days (about 2 months) | 4 | < 1 day | Multiple counts of murder and causing grievous bodily harm |
| The Murder Trial of Roy Whiting (Sarah Payne Murder) | 2001 | Approx. 20 days (about 1 month) | 3 | < 1 day | Murder and abduction |
| The Jill Dando Murder Trial | 2001 | Approx. 30 days (about 1 month) | 2.16 | < 1 day | Murder |
| The Murder Trial of Thomas Mair (Jo Cox Murder) | 2016 | Approx. 15 days (about 3 weeks) | 1.5 | < 1 day | Murder and causing grievous bodily harm with intent |
| The Trial of Derek Bentley | 1952 | Approx. 10 days (about 2 weeks) | 1.25 | < 1 day | Murder |
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Whoever is closest to the total time, between two guesses.
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Surprised they took that long with mark bridger, all of what he said in interviews was really suspect. absolute scum.
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No - the jury does not have to justify any decision they arrive at. This is the whole reason why the process is secret - so they can't be called out and questioned on any verdict they arrive at.
No, nothing is disclosed at all about how they deliberated or reached verdicts.
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The Chester standard are saying that they've been deliberating for 40 hours...
Are they including lunch hour?
Yes, they're using total time from start to finish each day.
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I think it needs to be pointed out, that the jury in the case of the the guy convicted of murdering Jill Dando (Barry George) actually got it wrong as he eventually had his conviction quashed.
I don't know about anyone else but I have this strange and mixed feeling. The case is drawing to a close and I've spent 9 months pretty much hyperfixating on it. Life has been tough this past year and coming here, discussing this case and learning has been an odd comfort. I know this may sound bizarre considering the tragic case itself and I do feel deeply for the parents but it feels quite a strangely sad empty feeling.
Saying all of this I'm very much firm in my own personal convictions of LL and I just hope the jury are of similar mind. All irrelevant thoughts of course.
Saying all of this I'm very much firm in my own personal convictions of LL and I just hope the jury are of similar mind. All irrelevant thoughts of course.
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Where is the crying emoji when I need it?
Love me some Cody Rhodes
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