GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #33

[gitana1]

I PMed you, hope you got it.

Thank you so much! Very kind.

 

[Kemug]

She seems to have many compulsions.
Hoarding, compulsive writing and keeping these notes.
Among others.

JMO

Although as yet no-one has reported any disturbing incidents in her past, I wonder if we may hear about any compulsions she had.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Interesting and I hope it’s allowed but I’ve just read that the tpn bags in the first insulin case are produced in a factory in Europe. The police went to that factory and asked them if it is possible that insulin was added to the bags there, the response was “no”.

 

[JosieJo]

Lucy Letby: Killer nurse to be stripped of NHS pension after baby murders

Warning: distressing content. Letby was convicted of murdering seven babies and trying to kill six more

www.independent.co.uk

 

[JosieJo]

Lucy Letby’s parents ‘want to move 250 miles so they can live near her prison'

Lucy Letby was convicted of murdering seven babies and attempting to kill six others during a ten month trial held in Manchester, of which her doting parents attended every day up until her sentencing

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Sweeper2000]

Lucy Letby’s parents ‘want to move 250 miles so they can live near her prison'

Lucy Letby was convicted of murdering seven babies and attempting to kill six others during a ten month trial held in Manchester, of which her doting parents attended every day up until her sentencing

www.mirror.co.uk

I wonder if they might change their tune were they to start considering themselves victims of hers, which imo is correct. Might take some time to see things that way.

 

[Parker Knoll]

Her father is 77 years old and her mother in her 50s from recollection. They are imho mad to chase their daughter all around the country to be closer to her as she could be moved anytime. Returning to their house in Hereford not a massively pleasant option either so they are knackered either way.

After watching the Hummingbird documentary am I correct in thinking that handover sheets found on the second search were not found on the first ?

 

[Parker Knoll]

Duplicate post DBM

 

[Davieson]

Removing her pension is a bit of a pointless gesture given that she is going to spend the rest of her life in prison.

 

[Honeybirdette]

In which case they should've marched proudly down to the police station, safe in.the knowledge that losing a job is worth it when lives are at stake, innocent, vulnerable baby's lives ...

And what if the police turned around and said yeah, it’s a bit of a coincidence but that is not enough to arrest her? Then what?
Remember no one discovered the only real cold indisputable insulin evidence until 2018. And btw, I genuinely believe if someone had discovered the insulin at the time it happened, the hospital bosses would have absolutely suspended letby there and then, because that’s hard evidence someone has committed a crime, but all they really had at the time was, ‘lucy has been on shift for all of them’ Nothing else. Realistically, You can’t suspend someone for that and the police wouldn’t have arrested her for that either. You need more than that to be taken seriously. And rightly so tbf. Can you imagine the allegations that would get thrown about if that’s all you needed to get someone arrested?

So Where does that leave them? They’ve lost their jobs. Their livelihoods, and for what? The police to drop the investigation due to a lack of evidence. I think we’re being so harsh on them here.

 

[Honeybirdette]

Removing her pension is a bit of a pointless gesture given that she is going to spend the rest of her life in prison.

Her parents would get it I believe

 

[Legally Bland]

So heartbreaking to read this. I do have one question, though— when did ll say that the deaths were unimaginable?

“The mother of Child D told Manchester Crown Court: “Lucy Letby had a chance to say something to us all, parents of the victims, and she had only one word – ‘unimaginable’”

I'm sure this has been answered already, but from the media thread:

Asked why she had searched for the parents on Facebook, Letby says they were on her mind.
She adds: "When you go home you don't forget about the babies you cared for."
She says, about what the parents had gone through: "It's unimaginable."

 

[cottonweaver]

Parents believe their daughter may have been attacked on November 20, 2013. Fortunately their daughter recovered and was transferred to Arrowe park hospital.

An extract below.


A mother has described approaching her baby's cot and seeing Lucy Letby standing over it with a 'blank' expression on her face and then walking away before 'all hell broke loose' when her lung collapsed.
She came so close to death that a chaplain was called to conduct an emergency baptism. She was taken to a nearby hospital and revived, and is now a happy and energetic nine-year-old
Mrs Whitfield was not aware at the time that the blonde woman standing over her daughter's cot was Letby until she saw her image on the news. Describing the horrific realisation, she told Good Morning Britain: 'When we saw her picture come on the screen I felt sick to the stomach and called Mike and said ''she was the one who was over the cot that night''.'

But following Felicity's recovery, the couple demanded a meeting with bosses at the Countess.

'We were told it was just one of those things that sometimes happens in premature babies

Medical notes confirmed that Letby had taken care of Felicity before she was transferred to Arrowe Park.

After Letby was arrested, the parents started to think more about their daughter's brush with death and now want her case to be reexamined.

Parents believe their daughter was one of Lucy Letby's first victims

Mike and Victoria Whitfield's daughter Felicity suffered a lung collapse three days after being born prematurely at Countess of Chester Hospital.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This fits the LL pattern:
Describing the night itself, Mrs Whitfield recalled the moment that she left her hospital room to go to the neonatal unit at 3am in the morning of November 20, 2013.
She said: 'It was around 3am when I had a mother's instinct to go and see her. She was doing fine in the days before and breathing well for herself.
'She was doing so well that a nurse - who I believe was Lucy Letby - told Mike to go home because he was looking so tired.
'I went to the ward and as I was walking towards the cot saw Lucy standing over it. She looked up at me then walked away.
'Then I walked towards the cot and within what seemed like seconds - although it could have been longer - all the beepers started going off and all hell broke loose.' ,' Mrs Whitfield said.

 

[Anxala]

Lucy Letby’s parents ‘want to move 250 miles so they can live near her prison'

Lucy Letby was convicted of murdering seven babies and attempting to kill six others during a ten month trial held in Manchester, of which her doting parents attended every day up until her sentencing

www.mirror.co.uk

I feel for them. Not surprised they'd want to move though, the neighbours' descriptions of them holing up inside their house, not answering the phone etc over the last couple of years is just awful. A move away might at least give them a degree of anonymity.

God, she's left such a grim and unforgiveable trail of destruction behind her, all those damaged lives, all the 'normal' she's snuffed out.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Her father is 77 years old and her mother in her 50s from recollection. They are imho mad to chase their daughter all around the country to be closer to her as she could be moved anytime. Returning to their house in Hereford not a massively pleasant option either so they are knackered either way.

After watching the Hummingbird documentary am I correct in thinking that handover sheets found on the second search were not found on the first ?

I think she is in low Newton for a long time. Right place for her, she’s going to be such a big name and a huge target, potentially the biggest one in the UK. In a bigger prison there would be too much risk for her. Low Newton houses mostly young people and a few category A prisoners. Her situation is much easier to manage in LN and I think her personality is probably suited to it. She probably wouldn’t survive in a bigger prison.

I actually think her parents are doing the right thing. I hope they can play a part in getting her to talk Which I think would be hugely beneficial both for her victims and society in a broader way. That’s worth the time and resources to achieve. I totally get both sides but I think sick people do sick things. There is some huge abhorrence in the mind of her. I hope the docs can pull the truth out of her at some point.

 

[Davieson]

Her parents would get it I believe

I doubt it, NHS pensions can't be passed on to relatives , other than surviving spouse and at 33 she wouldn't be able to claim a pension anyway.

 

[Diddly1]

I am eventually absorbing the truly atrocious wickedness. To even dream that a nurse could and did inflict such terrible torture then murder of babies is the stuff of nightmares.
Throughout the trial I was convinced she was guilty it was a feeling that repulsed every nurturing fibre in my being that a creature like Letby existed. But she did exist and caused untold destruction in her wake. I will not give her any hate, although she deserves it. I will think only of the babies and their families and remember their love, dignity and poise. They are more important than her.
The doctors did everything in their power to raise concerns, to try to prevent further murders. They should not be maligned.
There should be an enquiry that actually does something this time, the Francis report still has not been acted upon in its entirety.
But I leave my post, thinking only of the babies and families, to those I wish to send my greatest love.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Removing her pension is a bit of a pointless gesture given that she is going to spend the rest of her life in prison.

Unless her death benefit nomination is her parents or somebody else.

 

[JosieJo]

Removing her pension is a bit of a pointless gesture given that she is going to spend the rest of her life in prison.

It was save money that would compensate towards the costs she's amassed

 

[Blondiexoxo]

How Lucy Letby felt 'suffocated with love' by parents who doted on her

The couple doted on their daughter and celebrated her achievements, sharing photos with the local newspaper in Hereford celebrating her 21st birthday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

A pampered upbringing. The golden child. Could never do any wrong and even if she did, even if confronted with unequivocal proof that she wasn’t the perfect child they wanted her to be, they could paint her into the victim. Reminds me of some children whose parents always claim they are being bullied in every school they go to, every situation they find themselves, and never sit back and think ‘maybe my child is the problem’. I think she’s been put on a pedestal by parents who have wanted to ‘keep up appearances’ and maintain an image of an ‘idyllic’ family. Her mothers outburst to me could well have been from a parent who has herself realised that her child has committed these crimes, but doesn’t want her reputation tarnished, and is ashamed of being known as the parents of a serial killer so will maintain that they are parents of the poor wrongly convicted Lucy Letby.


I think LL has exhibited signs of narcissism since childhood which her parents have likely picked up on. Behind closed doors I don’t think she has been ‘perfect Lucy’ atall. But the parents would never admit it and have always been determined to keep any ‘odd’ behaviour a secret. I think that now their not so perfect daughter has been exposed for what she is. The desperate cries of ‘no this is all wrong!’ IMO could be from parents who have always been able to ‘fix’ everything, always been able to sweep their daughters’ wrong doing under the rug and keep it behind closed doors. To now, everyone knowing that their daughter is a murderer, their own reputation among locals, their friends etc tarnished.

I doubt they have never noticed a single sign that their daughter is/was a narcissistic psychopath in the making. IMO there are likely to have been lies that her parents discovered, but keeping up the pretense of ‘our wonderful nurse daughter Lucy’ was more important IMO.

Others describe her upbringing as ‘idyllic’ which IMO is from viewing through rose tinted glasses and not having the benefit of knowing what goes on ‘behind the scenes’. This is a woman who spent more time with her parents than most others her age, if anyone at anytime noticed anything ‘odd’ about her it would be them. Especially during teenage years when compulsive lying usually begins to really become apparent. LL deceived, lied, betrayed and lived behind a mask. I think it would have been almost impossible to keep up this act right from childhood, before she could consciously scheme effectively enough to conceal lies and embellish the truth without arousing suspicion. I think that she may have been caught in lies throughout her life that were either brushed aside and never mentioned, or were twisted around into being someone else’s fault.

As LL became a woman and her career took off, any odd behaviour could have been easily overlooked by preferring to focus on all the ‘wonderful’ things their daughter was achieving in her career.

Lucy Letby is a master manipulator, but her display in the witness stand showed that her mask wasn’t all that solid and IMO it likely did slip at times throughout her life. She has been enabled and pampered and had excuses made for her behaviour or any red flags outright denied by overbearing parents. JMO