GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #33

[Sarahlou]

I wish the papers would stop printing the articles about her friends and parents who think she's innocent. It just whips up the trolls on social media and it seems disrespectful to the victims' families.

 

[cottonweaver]

They haven't came forward and probably won't but the friend that is most vocal claims that most are in agreement that the convictions were unsafe.

Have you got a link where Dawn Howe is claiming the convictions are unsafe?
I've only read her general comments alleging criminality on part of Cheshire police, she didn't supply any basis for her claims. I haven't seen her attempt any legalese.

 

[Sweeper2000]

There is a large and growing number of people that believe that the convictions were unsafe.

Is it a group of her friends or a group of people with clout or expertise in law or trials?

i would assume you don’t mean a group of three of her closest friends that has now grown to four?

 

[Dotta]

Had the criminal been a male, or a woman of colour,
I doubt there would be many supportes of alleged innocence.

She is a Poster Example of White Woman Syndrome.
Young, attractive, middle class.

The same old story.
Yawn.

JMO

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

There is a large and growing number of people that believe that the convictions were unsafe.

Large? If you read the circumstances of how each of these babies died or was maimed on her watch I’m not quite sure how ‘unsafe’ these convictions were. You might get away with one but we’ll over a dozen with probably more to come. I look forward to the Public enquiry which will undoubtedly follow and divulge even more.

 

[MachinaCollecta]

Had the criminal been a male, or a woman of colour,
I doubt there would be many supportes of alleged innocence.

She is a Poster Example of White Woman Syndrome.
Young, attractive, middle class.

The same old story.
Yawn.

JMO

Precisely this, IMO.

 

[Sarahlou]

Had the criminal been a male, or a woman of colour,
I doubt there would be many supportes of alleged innocence.

She is a Poster Example of White Woman Syndrome.
Young, attractive, middle class.

The same old story.
Yawn.

JMO

You have a point. But there's always some crazies that refuse to believe the truth. Look at the people who thought the Sandy Hook shootings were a hoax

 

[Davieson]

I would like to point out that every miscarriage of justice case that was successfully fought started off with a surefire conviction that the guilty verdict was sound and that justice had been done.

 

[Honeybirdette]

Lucy Letby's childhood friend maintains baby killer nurse is innocent and claims police scapegoated her

Lucy Letby's childhood friend maintains baby killer nurse is innocent and claims police scapegoated her | LBC

A school friend of Lucy Letby has maintained she was innocent, despite the former nurse being found guilty killing seven babies and trying to kill six more.

www.lbc.co.uk

Oh well there we have it. Her mate said she’s innocent…The courts need to squash the verdict immediately.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Had the criminal been a male, or a woman of colour,
I doubt there would be many supportes of alleged innocence.

She is a Poster Example of White Woman Syndrome.
Young, attractive, middle class.

The same old story.
Yawn.

JMO

I find that talk utterly disgusting. It’s a complete manipulation of societal ideals Which are healthy and it’s message is “don’t be that image” When it should be “don’t lie”. great example “don’t be a productive member of society, dont have goals, don’t be that which is seen to be good” I don’t think race comes into it. should be left out of it.

 

[cottonweaver]

Had the criminal been a male, or a woman of colour,
I doubt there would be many supportes of alleged innocence.

She is a Poster Example of White Woman Syndrome.
Young, attractive, middle class.

The same old story.
Yawn.

JMO

Yes I read the head of the Patients' Association say something similar . Ann Lloyd Keen, the chair of the Patients Association. She's also a registered nurse. Link to her comments: Nurses ‘rocked to core’ by Lucy Letby murders fear impact on public trust


Also G Hinsliff asks similar questions here, espcially wrt the grievance procedures LL instigated.

A Lucy Letby inquiry must answer this: why was she seen as a victim, not a killer? | Gaby Hinsliff

Blinded by the nurse’s supposed ‘vulnerability’, the hospital rounded on doctors raising concerns, says Guardian columnist Gaby Hinsliff

www.theguardian.com

'If Letby escaped detection for so long partly because she didn’t look like most people’s idea of a serial killer.....– it’s perhaps equally significant that she did look like many people’s idea of a victim.
The story she spun of a young woman pushed around and picked on is certainly common enough, not just in the NHS, to sound superficially convincing. At the time, hospitals were being rightly urged to take workplace bullying seriously, with inquiries into previous scandals identifying it as an aggravating factor. And poor care is an infinitely more common cause of death in hospitals than serial killers. What the inquiry must explore, however, is why the hospital seemingly found it easier to believe in poor Lucy, the fictitious victim of doctors supposedly seeking a scapegoat, than in the rare but horrific scenario advanced by their consultants. Were they seeing what they wanted to see, avoiding a police investigation that would panic parents and potentially destroy the trust’s reputation? Or were they simply seeing what they expected to see, a cautionary lesson for anyone with a tendency to interpret any set of facts through the prism of their own fixed views?'

IMO, seems to be a ton of factors at play.
I think that fact that the hospital had literally used her as their ' poster-girl' for the NNUnit in PR for media was probably also a factor.

No basis, only speculation but I also guess that the contents of that meeting between Chambers, parents and LL could have been another factor. Leverage. LL is - we've been told - a compulsive taker of notes. She worked there since 2012....... ( be interested to find out whether there are accurate minutes for all of that meeting. can't help but wonder if she not only played the system - grievance procedures- but also lobbed in some extra threats )

 

[JosieJo]

No it doesn't, but the possibility of a dubious or wrong verdict is the reason for the Appeal system

Which is exactly why it should be left to the professionals not people who haven't been in court every day

 

[Officer Dibble]

It was save money that would compensate towards the costs she's amassed

who paid for her defence in court?

 

[Dotta]

who paid for her defence in court?

Taxpayers

 

[Action Hank]

Had the criminal been a male, or a woman of colour,
I doubt there would be many supportes of alleged innocence.

She is a Poster Example of White Woman Syndrome.
Young, attractive, middle class.

The same old story.
Yawn.

JMO

Had she been a woman of colour I imagine she'd have a much larger number of supporters who'd be out on the streets protesting a miscarriage of justice.

 

[Officer Dibble]

She is 63

I think they could be ageing fast with all the stress since the guilty verdict. JMO MOO

 

[IDK]

I'm sure this has been answered already, but from the media thread:

Thank you very much!

 

[Officer Dibble]

The video within this article the parents of Felicity (who they believe was LL's first victim or one of the first) say that LL did not walk back in and another nurse called alarm for help. However she's no idea if she came back into the room as so many medical staff were in there.

Parents believe their daughter was one of Lucy Letby's first victims

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Reminds me of some children whose parents always claim they are being bullied in every school they go to, every situation they find themselves, and never sit back and think ‘maybe my child is the problem’.

Some children are frequent targets for bullies because they come across as unsure of themselves/anxious, and there are kids everywhere who enjoy targeting the "weak." It doesn't mean the child who has anxiety or low self esteem deserves it or is "the problem," IMO.

I think LL has exhibited signs of narcissism since childhood which her parents have likely picked up on. Behind closed doors I don’t think she has been ‘perfect Lucy’ at all. But the parents would never admit it and have always been determined to keep any ‘odd’ behaviour a secret

Agree with you on this. I don't think it's their fault she is how she is, but it's obvious they are "afraid" of her. I think she played the "poor me" role often, and their reaction was to take her side and dote on her -- which isn't uncommon. But as she got older, she didn't outgrow it. Maybe they sensed she wouldn't mind walking out of their lives and not looking back if she had no "use" for them, so they overcompensated. JMO.

 

[cottonweaver]

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Ofc, Appeals process is fundamental right of every convicted citizen.
A central pillar of our system.

There's the old joke about inmates. Half the inmates ' say they are wrongfully imprisoned, the other half have found God' ( It's a joke not a fact, clearly there will be a number of genuinely innocent people in prison and naturally a number accepted their guilt and moved through the parole process to release )

Automatic right to file, but not to be 'heard' ( It doesn't mean that the thousands of appeal proformas completed in prisons across the land will actually have any basis for the appeal to be heard.) IIRC she has 28 days to file and then she needs leave to appeal to the Court of Appeal is required. Her next ( new?) lawyer will assist LL and advise whether she has a basis. I didn't follow the LL trial but some of you who did might have had a hint of direction from her Defence during the past 10 months.

Filing an an appeal does not equate to having grounds for it to go forward.
As another WS member just posted, once LL appeals ( I think she's likely to try based on her past behaviour) a ton of people on MailOnline will pipe up ' See! Told you so. That means her conviction was wrong.'

( same reason I was advocating for a UK ' LawTube.' UK mass media not great at covering law here. We aren't born with knowledge of the basics, we have to pick it up.Most of UK's successful appeals are for non-criminal matters, Magistrates Court.)