UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #36

[notsure]

Then there's the unusual number of tubes dislodged at another hospital while LL was working there.

Lucy Letby inquiry: 'Tubes dislodged' during placement at other hospital

Lucy Letby worked two placements at Liverpool Women's Hospital in 2012 and 2015.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[JosieJo]

Exactly - so the whole ward was in chaos ...but was all pinned on Letby...shocking miscarriage of justice IMO - watch this space.

To play devil's advocate here...it was said that some of the resuscitation attempts and situations were unusual...the babies were not responding to normal resus procedures..so I could understand why Dr's may be running around trying anything and everything

 

[JosieJo]

I really cannot understand why still the Defence did not put forward medical experts. Her team was senior and highly regarded so why not ?

 

[Moll]

I really cannot understand why still the Defence did not put forward medical experts. Her team was senior and highly regarded so why not ?

I agree.
This article is worth reading, I think:

'I've won miscarriages of justice. Here's why I think the Letby verdict will be overturned'

Lawyer Glyn Maddocks KC fought one of Britain's longest-running miscarriage of justice cases and believes the Lucy Letby case is exposing deep problems with expert witnesses and the burden placed on juries by the criminal justice system

inews.co.uk

NB Not saying that LL is innocent but that the trial was flawed and the convictions unsafe.

 

[ZeroAlpha]

NB Not saying that LL is innocent but that the trial was flawed and the convictions unsafe.

There is going to be a retrial I feel

 

[greenwoodlad]

Do you think circumstantial evidence isn't enough to convict someone of murder? That means people can get away with murdering babies, because nobody ever sees them doing it.

Only If the prosecution can show that there are absolutely no reasonable alternative explanations for what happened on every occasion..... in this case there are other possible explanations as to why each death happened, despite an overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence. IMO her conviction is not "safe"..hence why IMO there will be a re trial ...a new defence team could overthrow her conviction , despite whether we feel that is right or wrong.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Sark resident Roger Norwich, a medico-legal expert, previously submitted a complaint to the General Medical Council against Dr Evans and second witness Dr Bohin, for both failing to provide balanced, impartial views in court.

Local consultant’s evidence in Letby case called into question

A local consultant’s evidence has been called into question by an international expert panel, who yesterday brought new evidence to the Lucy Letby case.

guernseypress.com

‘Every aspect of what they are doing is so disrespectful, it is very upsetting.

‘They said the parents want to know the truth, but we’ve had the truth. We believe in the British justice system, we believe the jury made the right decision. We already have the truth and this panel of so-called experts don’t speak for us.’

Distraught mother of Lucy Letby victim hits out at 'disrespectful' campaign to free her

A mother whose baby boy British nurse Lucy Letby tried to murder hit back at the 'upsetting' and 'disrespectful' attempts to free the jailed killer.

extra.ie

 

[JosieJo]

Just working my way through the press conference now ..legit or not imagine a parent
A) Hearing a Dr say "this death was preventable" in those circumstances
B) Two men laughing and joking about a phone going off ..saying "now that is an alarm"

 

[Cardgame]

And let's not forget that Letby took the stand.

A jury of humans were given the opportunity, alongside all the evidence, to judge her demeanour and their perception of the honestly of her responses.

For me personally, as someone who followed the trial as close as it is possible to do online every day, it was when she took the stand that I started to feel very sure that she was guilty.

Deflecting, obfuscating, blaming others, weeping only about herself etc etc. iMO she gave a textbook Narc Psychopath Performance. MOO of course.

I'm curious if there is anyone on here who thinks she is innocent also followed the trial daily and closely, because I think that's why so many people in this thread are convinced she is guilty.

Genuine question, if you did follow it closely at the time, and you think she is innocent, what was your reaction to her time on the stand?

 

[greenwoodlad]

I really cannot understand why still the Defence did not put forward medical experts. Her team was senior and highly regarded so why not ?

She needs a new defence team who will bring in new crucial experts

 

[greenwoodlad]

And let's not forget that Letby took the stand.

A jury of humans were given the opportunity, alongside all the evidence, to judge her demeanour and their perception of the honestly of her responses.

For me personally, as someone who followed the trial as close as it is possible to do online every day, it was when she took the stand that I started to feel very sure that she was guilty.

Deflecting, obfuscating, blaming others, weeping only about herself etc etc. iMO she gave a textbook Narc Psychopath Performance. MOO of course.

I'm curious if there is anyone on here who thinks she is innocent also followed the trial daily and closely, because I think that's why so many people in this thread are convinced she is guilty.

Genuine question, if you did follow it closely at the time, and you think she is innocent, what was your reaction to her time on the stand?

I don't disagree with your points here at all...and circumstantial evidence is stacked against her but the points that I'm making here is - despite all of this , despite her demeanour , her narcissistic performance etc ........is her conviction safe beyond reasonable doubt?

 

[mrC]

if some of the evidence is non longer credible but some of the evidence might still be credible, surely the only answer is to put it to a jury agian

 

[furbabies]

During an adjournment debate in the Commons on Wednesday (January 8), Mr Davis told MPs: “There is case in justice, in my view, for a retrial. But there is a problem: one of the problems we face is that much of the evidence was available at the time.

“What I have described is an expert analysis of the case notes, which were there at the time, but it was simply not presented to the jury. This means the Court of Appeal can dismiss it, basically saying the defence should have presented it at the initial trial.

Former minister calls for retrial of child serial killer Lucy Letby

The former nurse was convicted of murdering seven babies and trying to kill seven more while working as a nurse at the Countess of Chester Hospital

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Today 5th feb 25 her defense team are going to court for a equital, saying new evidence shows shes not responsible ? by top medic

 

[furbabies]

if some of the evidence is non longer credible but some of the evidence might still be credible, surely the only answer is to put it to a jury agian

yes...what a strange case if shes found not guilty, what coverups where there .?

 

[ZeroAlpha]

yes...what a strange case if shes found not guilty, what coverups where there .?

In the NHS? Huge coverups

 

[furbabies]

I don't disagree with your points here at all...and circumstantial evidence is stacked against her but the points that I'm making here is - despite all of this , despite her demeanour , her narcissistic performance etc ........is her conviction safe beyond reasonable doubt?

but new evidence from medics say she didnt do it wow what a outcome its going for new trial

 

[furbabies]

in what way?

 

[furbabies]

what does you mean

but why did they want to cover it up ?

 

[Sweeper2000]

if some of the evidence is non longer credible but some of the evidence might still be credible, surely the only answer is to put it to a jury agian

its not. its ensuring that this most recent batch of med opinions are sound then and only then does it become admissible as " new evidence". i think but not sure.

 

[Sweeper2000]

can anyone quote what the new docs said about baby E? i doubt they recognised just how out of place and unusual that entire case was.