UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #38

[katydid23]

I don't think she thought her house would be raided. She had been in her mind, vindicated because she had won the grievance and she had been told multiple times that she could come back. She had also been offered further training with a view to potentially moving elsewhere, from memory. She was aware the police had spoken to her colleagues, so I think she expected to have the same sort of thing, not a dawn raid. She was also getting smoke blown up her ar*e by Dr Choc and others telling her how great she was and she hadn't done anything wrong.

JMO

Just so thought. In regards to the stuff found in her house maybe it would be easier to assume she herself actually thought little of it to the point of more or less forgetting it was there. I know the prosecution made a big deal of it ofc he did but doesn't mean he was correct. Maybe she didn't really think that what was there would be incriminating hence why she didn't get rid of it. None of it was stored in a way as to suggest great importance. Under the bed fir the med files, in a cabinet or drawer for the diary i think ? In her drawer at work for the post it notes wasn't it? Haphazard seemingly.

None of the above makes its presence less incriminating nor less noteworthy nor less inferential imo it just suggests she didn't care about it. Maybe ???

I think it's a combination of both of the above posts.

#1---She didn't imagine they were going to swarm her house and do a forensics sweep on it, searching everywhere and looking
at, testing, and reading everything.
She believed that she had covered her tracks very well, and would soon be back at work after the Union prevailed again, to
clear her name.

#2---And if they did come to her home, she probably didn't think any of it would be all that incriminating. Those intake papers she took from the clinic were just stashed here and there in the garage and under the bed---she probably thought they'd be ignored as meaningless trash. And the post-it notes were randomly stuffed in a drawer and would just seem like meaningless scribbles.

She underestimated Law Enforcement and the Judicial System, imo.

 

[Baileyboo]

The Letby case has a lot in common with Stepping hill killer nurse, Victorino Chua. When the police raided his home they found a similar letter talking about him being "both an angel and a devil" Chua however has not had the public sympathy that Letby has.

Stepping Hill trial: The devil within Victorino Chua

How could a trusted nurse and a father-of-two also be a killer and a poisoner with no obvious motivation?

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[katydid23]

The Letby case has a lot in common with Stepping hill killer nurse, Victorino Chua. When the police raided his home they found a similar letter talking about him being "both an angel and a devil" Chua however has not had the public sympathy that Letby has.

Stepping Hill trial: The devil within Victorino Chua

How could a trusted nurse and a father-of-two also be a killer and a poisoner with no obvious motivation?

www.bbc.co.uk

" Chua however has not had the public sympathy that Letby has."

Maybe because he was not a pretty blonde girl?

 

[iamshadow21]

" Chua however has not had the public sympathy that Letby has."

Maybe because he was not a pretty blonde girl?

Yeah, white woman syndrome isn't just for the missing and murdered. The amount of hype for conventionally pretty white girls from suburban backgrounds, especially blondes, who commit crimes is different from those who aren't pretty, young, privileged, white.

It would be a very, very different tone if she didn't fit that box.

MOO

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1997125556635140430

 

[Sweeper2000]

Yeh she's the type to be a model prisoner with access to all of that. Tbh I think that's the part people have mentioned recently that is remarkable. She's not exactly the screaming emotional type us she ? which imo makes up the majority of prisoners. They tend to lack self containment, coping skills and control.

 

[marynnu]

Typical hysterical nonsense from the Daily Fail, making a fuss about nothing.

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1997465093374685318

"Lucy Letby
is being used as a ‘scapegoat’ to cover for the failings of senior doctors in the neonatal unit of the Countess of Chester Hospital,
her childhood friend has claimed.

In a speech
which adds further weight to claims of a miscarriage of justice against the nurse, the friend
– a medical research scientist –
told a meeting of Letby’s supporters last week
that she believed doctors had waged
a ‘petty vendetta’ against Letby
after she raised concerns about standards of care on the ward."

 

[Sweeper2000]

How on earth that adds weight I've no idea.

 

[JosieJo]

Of course consultants are going to make her a scapegoat..by begging for a police investigation that will make public every little inch of their lives and highlight every ounce of suboptimal care to the world's press ..not!

 

[May72031]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1997465093374685318

"Lucy Letby
is being used as a ‘scapegoat’ to cover for the failings of senior doctors in the neonatal unit of the Countess of Chester Hospital,
her childhood friend has claimed.

I love how Letbyists keep on trotting out this complete hogwash. It doesn't make any sense. In what way did "senior doctors" fail? They were the ones pushing for further investigation and for the police to be involved.

Note how Letby's supporters never try to blame the management...?

 

[Marantz4250b]

I love how Letbyists keep on trotting out this complete hogwash. It doesn't make any sense. In what way did "senior doctors" fail? They were the ones pushing for further investigation and for the police to be involved.

Note how Letby's supporters never try to blame the management...?

Exactly. The whole, "she was fitted up to cover up X, Y or Z" makes absolutely no sense to any rational person. It's utterly ludicrous. You cannot simply invent the sheer volume of evidence that was presented over nine months and expect it to stick.

Also, if she was set up to cover up doctors failings, you can't just say that and not say exactly what those failings were and how they caused the deaths! They've never done that.

I feel sorry for Dawn; she didn't follow the trial and has obviously been gaslighted and manipulated by her supporters and legal team as to the actual facts. My sympathy is running out, however, with the more she says. I hope she's prepared for the backlash if she keeps speaking. If you're reading this, Dawn, I think you should really do some proper research. Your mate is guilty. Sorry but she just is.

 

[MrsAddick]

I think she has been harming babies pretty much since her very first shift in some slight way and she enjoyed the power she had over their lives and by definition their families - that power was her drug of choice as she was so utterly unremarkable in every day life.
It ramps up and it’s no longer a pinch or tube removal but planned attacks using different methods and she can watch this whole macabre show front and centre … yes she’s calm as the doctors say she is in a crisis as she knows exactly why these babies are deteriorating fast and it gives her chance to show off her nursing in front of her new crush Doc Choc.
She’s making firm friends with the senior managers and manipulating the hospital executives getting them all onside, taking full advantage of the fact that the hospital had its own issues with infrastructure and to some degree staff levels, which is another layer for her to hide behind but she can’t fool the doctors as they know these deaths on the ward are unusual and they simply don’t give up - that’s her downfall.
I also think she thought there would be no real way to trace things back to her that couldn’t be explained away ( the interview at the police station shows how manipulative she is when questioned ) and not in a million years did she think the prosecution would almost reconstruct the whole timeline at trial.
I don’t know ( obviously ! ) how she thought this would all play out - did she think she would just keep getting away with it or was she just completely out of control ?
A bit of both possibly.
Just my musings.

No doubt there’s plenty of fertile ground in her history being suppressed for whatever reason.
Wouldn’t be surprised if this kicked off from the first time she experienced an infant ICU emergency. Felt rush of ‘power’ and excitement. Perhaps, first time experiencing positive-recognition from non-parent figures. I can imagine what a thrill that could be and then the god-complex follows where you are finally the centre of the universe and the puppet master (as I’m sure she always felt was deserved in her narcissistic mind). A rush like that could easily get out of control and turn into an all-encompassing obsession…. you think you’re smarter than everyone else and getting away with in so why bother covering all your tracks?

Suspect a somewhat dysfunctional childhood…LL put up on a pedestal by older parents, babied, never held to account for anything, and accustomed to lying and manipulation to maintain the facade of perfection to meet their expectations.

Dad seems aggressive, mother is histrionic. They are overly-involved in their (adult) child’s life. Not smoking-guns exactly, but reg flags for sure…

also, just my musings…could be totally off-base!

 

[joltz]

No doubt there’s plenty of fertile ground in her history being suppressed for whatever reason.
Wouldn’t be surprised if this kicked off from the first time she experienced an infant ICU emergency. Felt rush of ‘power’ and excitement. Perhaps, first time experiencing positive-recognition from non-parent figures. I can imagine what a thrill that could be and then the god-complex follows where you are finally the centre of the universe and the puppet master (as I’m sure she always felt was deserved in her narcissistic mind). A rush like that could easily get out of control and turn into an all-encompassing obsession…. you think you’re smarter than everyone else and getting away with in so why bother covering all your tracks?

Suspect a somewhat dysfunctional childhood…LL put up on a pedestal by older parents, babied, never held to account for anything, and accustomed to lying and manipulation to maintain the facade of perfection to meet their expectations.

Dad seems aggressive, mother is histrionic. They are overly-involved in their (adult) child’s life. Not smoking-guns exactly, but reg flags for sure…

also, just my musings…could be totally off-base!

100% agree with all of this

 

[Marantz4250b]

Yes, I agree as well. Only slight point of pedantry is that her mother wasn't really "older" when Lucy was born. I think she was 29 or 30 but her dad was something like 15 years older, or thereabouts.