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This running commentary from Vera is annoying to be honest … why is Letby being given preferential treatment ?
She can sit in the queue like everyone else.
 
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Just spotted this... 🤔

"The good news is Letby waived privilege in December, despite being asked to in February. This is going to get interesting"

Wow!

Waived privilege.

Agreed - going to get interesting. We'll find out just why her experts weren't called, I suspect.

I reckon her fans are going to be deserting her in droves very soon.
 
  • #2,423
She had ample opportunity to say she had been taking them home in order for her to compile her grievance when she was on the stand … she was asked many times why.
Her answer as we all know was “ I collect paper “
Literally from the horses mouth was no mention of any grievance procedure why she had them.
Maybe that is the reason, I offered a couple more logical reasons- not stating any are more or less likely, just that we don’t know the answer in reality. You want to share it indicates her guilt and believe only people who murder would keep them. IMO it proves neither guilt nor innocence and whilst two stories were shared in court- I have no reason to be convinced by either of them as evidence of very much.
 
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My last paragraph wasn't incorrect in any way. I don't think McDonald cares that some random person online is analysing it, after the fact.

The point which you seemed to have completely missed, is that the press conference was presented live without the ability to question any of the ridiculous claims made. It was also attended by a group of journalists sympathetic to the cause, who were given free reign to ask, imo, pre determined questions.
So which press were not invited? It was broadcast live on all the main news channels. Are you suggesting all of the UK broadcasters were sympathetic to the cause prior to the revelations in the press conference? In your opinion they could only ask pre determined questions - on what basis can you possibly know that, and even if that were the case, again contradicting your point about the news conference restricting discussion- the press then openly published articles discussing it regardless of their narrative of guilty or innocent. Articles were shared from both sides. No journalist was excluded and that is the point it was aired with very limited opportunity for discussion to every journalist in real time contract however they wanted to, some with scorn, some with support - how do you believe they should have shared it? By doing a 121 with Liz Hull for her podcast?
 
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When you say the 250 were stretched over her career...obviously the first one as a student was a single keepsake ..but the rest when did the main collection begin ?
If you search on most nursing forums- they are told to keep them to document and write up their evidence to pass (or fail) training units- so in many ways it’s also one of those blurred lines in a work environment- you can take them home when you need them to write up your latest assessment, but then quickly get out of the habit of doing that (unless you might do a course later on where they may be useful as evidence).
 
  • #2,427
Doesn't that just make it weirder she kept them? More housemoves and more knowingly keeping them? So why
They were at her parents house, we don’t know she ever moved them from there.
 
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They were at her parents house, we don’t know she ever moved them from there.
Handover notes and the shredder were found in her house Ruth. Was covered at trial. It has been a long time though.

To anyone wasnt a picture of her shredder in the recent Netflix documentary?
 
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Nurse handover notes in a hospital are structured, detailed summaries designed to transfer critical information during shift changes or patient moves. They include very private information on each patient, including identification, medical history, current clinical condition, medication and treatment plans, any tests pending and safety risks.

The sheets also include Discharge Planning----Estimated discharge date, family issues, or social work involvement. That is very private information.

Why would a hospital accommodate Nurse Lucy's desire to keep all of that very private information for hundreds of babies and their families? A very small fraction of those handover sheets had any record of her shift notes.

It was illegal and dishonest for her to sneak those documents home and hoard them. imo She took a big risk doing so. It shows she was obsessed, imo.
I could be wrong- but we actually don’t know that what you are claiming is fact. The handover records you are referring to are electronically kept on the system. We do not know that Letby printed off the detailed medical documents you describe (and it’s unlikely as I think that narrative would have pushed more -that she was at the end of shift going to static computers and printing off and taking home the information)- we know she kept handover “notes” which at this time in the NHS were usually hand scribbled records of any medical treatment that was relevant which is then (still to this day) verbally passed over to the nurses taking over the shift.
 
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Handover notes and the shredder were found in her house Ruth. Was covered at trial. It has been a long time though.

To anyone wasnt a picture of her shredder in the recent Netflix documentary?
Yes, there was.
 
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I could be wrong- but we actually don’t know that what you are claiming is fact. The handover records you are referring to are electronically kept on the system. We do not know that Letby printed off the detailed medical documents you describe (and it’s unlikely as I think that narrative would have pushed more -that she was at the end of shift going to static computers and printing off and taking home the information)- we know she kept handover “notes” which at this time in the NHS were usually hand scribbled records of any medical treatment that was relevant which is then (still to this day) verbally passed over to the nurses taking over the shift.
The (redacted) images of the sheets that were evidence at trial that they showed on the recent documentary were printed.
 
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Wane Just so you know aand in response to your repeated use of the words "serial killer" and her behaviour not belonging to one. Not quite sure what kind of picture you have of a serial killer but I don't necessarily picture a monster myself. I also don't take to her having done it for sadistic purposes. If anything I would sway more towards her doing it for self regulatory reasons maybe impulsively.
 
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Rewatching that Netflix doc. Aren't her police interviews interesting? I struggle to see that all the "no comment" responses were nothing of significance. Its definitely like she's hiding something isn't it.
 
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Oh dear mcdonald is selling it. "Absolutely outstandingly and unbelievably almost miraculously a piece was written about the case in the new York Times".

Almost as if that has some bearing on the evidence. That's not impressive at all.
 

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