GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #38

[WaneLyrical]

No, Letby didn't know that Jayaram would discover the paper on air embolism but the fact is, she was causing air embolisms.

So she knew that, they might realise what
was happening. The bung, gives the suggestion that an accidental air embolism could happen on the unit.
She did not want a purposely done, injected air embolism to look like a possiblity on a baby in her care.

Datix 1. Shows how an accidental air embolism could occur on the unit.

Datix 2. Loss of peripheral access,
All of which comes from the mouth of Letby and is called untrue by Breary. Shown in court to be a load of BS with zero evidence.
Letby is the cause of this false datix being filed.
No peripheral access, means no injected air.

Those 2 Datix served a purpose, to a very clearly panicked Letby.

A bit like lying about CPAP on the notes and claiming not to remember why she did it. It would potentially explain why baby O was full of air.

I thought air going in an NG tube is what causes tummies and bowels to be full of air, not a long line. Isn’t that what we’ve all learned?

The point of the datix was that they had to go up to the children’s ward to get the equipment needed for the IO access. The reason for the IO access was because they couldn’t get blood from the existing access.

It’s quite remarkable seeing how this is being twisted into somehow showing that deliberate harm was caused.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Joltz is correct, Letby was the first one to mention anything about AE.

Why did she bring it up before anyone else?

She brought it up in an attempt at creating an alibi because she'd been causing them!

 

[Sweeper2000]

"I wouldn't do a thing like that, see MY datix i warn against them". Basic just of it.

 

[WaneLyrical]

And you’re all sure there were no other instances of open bungs in 2015/16?

 

[marynnu]

What you are saying is simply flat out untrue, and you have failed to provide one single link for any of the wild claims that you're stating as fact.

It is absolutely not normal in any way. You've also posted "so what" about things that would get you disciplinary action in any UK hospital.


She removed his oxygen without permission, without the medical staff knowing she'd done it, and without telling anyone. She very obviously did not remove him from oxygen for cleaning since she only invented the "cleaning" excuse after the fact, when she was confronted. She removed him from oxygen for the sole purpose of taking illicit photos, which is extremely weird and against the law.

The fact the parents found it weird and disturbing is the only thing that matters.

No wonder so many people who knew LL reported that they found her to be deeply strange or excessively angry and hostile. She fits the profile of a female serial killer exactly.

You are completely wrong about this. O², CPAP & ET tubings are all changed regularly. You don't need permission from anybody! And nurses often take a photo for parents as it's nice to see the baby's face without tubes. It takes just a few seconds.
Apart from anything else, she was hardly going to take a photo if it was at all dodgy, was she?

 

[marynnu]

These guidelines only refer to CPAP. I believe your earlier argument was in relation to oxygen being administered through nasal prongs. How frequently does that equipment need to be cleaned? When my daughter was in NICU and later SCBU, she often pulled her nasal cannula out with her fidgety arms, but even then it wasn't cleaned before being put back in. And in those moments that she was being deprived of the oxygen she needed, I wasn't taking photos, I was calling a nurse to help her.

The hospital took a photo of my daughter in NICU because I couldn't be by her side. Funnily enough they didn't remove her ventilator to get a "better" photo of her.

We replaced nasal prongs & tubing weekly.

 

[marynnu]

So, Letby knew Jayaram was about to discover the Lee paper before he did, and in order to create an alibi(?) she told someone else there was an open bung on a baby who didn’t have an air embolism. Letby then waited until the moment Jayaram’s spine shivered, had no involvement in Powell becoming aware of it, and then recorded the datix so she could say she knew about air embolism risk before the doctors?

Compelling stuff.

Well I guess Ben Myers was right then when he described Letby as having Nostradamus-like foresight.

Dr. J found the paper because one of the consultants had already proposed air embolism as a possibility and he was searching online for anything about it. She had to know they might come up with this idea.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Al at The Art of Law channel with an excellent video on the recent statement by the CCRC.

 

[marynnu]

I thought air going in an NG tube is what causes tummies and bowels to be full of air, not a long line. Isn’t that what we’ve all learned?

The point of the datix was that they had to go up to the children’s ward to get the equipment needed for the IO access. The reason for the IO access was because they couldn’t get blood from the existing access.

It’s quite remarkable seeing how this is being twisted into somehow showing that deliberate harm was caused.

Why are you mentioning air in the bowel?

 

[Marantz4250b]

Dr. J found the paper because one of the consultants had already proposed air embolism as a possibility and he was searching online for anything about it. She had to know they might come up with this idea.

Indeed.

And, if LL knew of the existence of this article then the fact would surely have been known via examination of her devices?

Was it even publicly available at the time, or only via paid resources such as the ones doctors have access to? If so then it's extremely that a nurse would also have the ability to find it.

She likely knew that there were faint rumblings of AE, she's caused those AE's so needed an explanation.

 

[joltz]

And you’re all sure there were no other instances of open bungs in 2015/16?

There is no evidence that I know of, of

"I wouldn't do a thing like that, see MY datix i warn against them". Basic just of it.

Letby is proven to be lying already on multiple occasions over this instance. She falsified the medical record with CPAP entry and claimed peripheral access was lost. We know for a FACT that is not true. There is evidence to show such and witness testimony.

But Wax seems to think proven pathological liar Letby is innocent so sure, the bung datix is a genuine one, lol

 

[joltz]

Indeed.

And, if LL knew of the existence of this article then the fact would surely have been known via examination of her devices?

Was it even publicly available at the time, or only via paid resources such as the ones doctors have access to? If so then it's extremely that a nurse would also have the ability to find it.

She likely knew that there were faint rumblings of AE, she's caused those AE's so needed an explanation.

Exactly. The bung datix, with danger of causing air embolism how convenient.

If you can't see what is happening here, it's because you are purposely choosing to completely ignore and discount it because it makes Letby look bad. The alternative explanations about it and Letby being innocent just don't even make sense.
It doesn't add up whatsoever.

 

[WaneLyrical]

Dr. J found the paper because one of the consultants had already proposed air embolism as a possibility and he was searching online for anything about it. She had to know they might come up with this idea.

Ok, yes, so is the suggestion that when Gibbs (?) first mentioned air embolism, that got back to Letby at the same time it got to jayaram, and then the open bung happened, with the datix to follow later once Powell finds out?

 

[WaneLyrical]

Why are you mentioning air in the bowel?

The baby had a distended abdomen and xrays showed air in the stomach and intestines. I just checked back, cause of collapse/death was liver trauma, air in the NG tube, and air embolism