GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #10

[Gigi-G]

Here is something that jumped out to me after reading everything today:

- was there a mention early on about NM having possible ADD/autism? - or was that about someone else in this case?

I think it was JI who had ADHD/ADD
but I think it was quoted that NM had 'learning difficulties'

 

[Dion]

One of my theories is that NM and SH burst into Becky's room, wearing halloween masks and brandishing stun guns (which they had picked up batteries for on the way there).

This would fit in with NM's penchant for scaring Becky and explain how he managed to overcome Becky (he had the assistance of SH).

It's been mentioned previously that they had 2 kinds of masks (halloween type and DIY) and there were 2 of each.

 

[Dion]

Regarding the makeup found on a mask - in an attempt to maintain that SH knew nothing, he now claims that he wore makeup for men.

When he is cutting up a dead body, he is concerned about his appearance, and has to put on makeup? Give me a break!

 

[Clio]

Another misleading headline from today's Mirror live updates is 'Police were in my home when Becky's body was still there'.

What NM actually said according to today's tweets is that police "went round" to his home whilst Becky was there. I think this refers to Monday 23rd February when police knocked but nobody answered the door. They spoke to NM/SH later that day at Wilton Close and didn't search CML until the morning of 24th Feb by which time her remains had been moved to Barton Court.

 

[Clio]

I've always wondered how they knew right away that the bloody fingerprints were NM's. Supposedly he doesn't have a police record, so what did they compare the fingerprints to in order to know they were his?

NM/SH gave fingerprints and elimination DNA samples after their voluntary interviews on Thurs 26th Feb.

 

[Dion]

He says he put more sellotape on to "connect the eyes to the mouth parts". Does he mean that he taped her entire face?

Taping from her eyes to her mouth, would cover the nose, so that she couldn't breathe. It sounds like that was how he suffocated her. What a horrible way to die - poor Becky.

"That wasn't working because she was still managing to breathe so I put my lands on top of the sellotape and that still didn't work because she was still managing to breathe and then I remember putting more sellotape on to connect the eyes to the mouth parts.

http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/...tory-28063895-detail/story.html#ixzz3pqo4i5hZ

 

[Hexenb]

I think it was in one of the interviews the one after she was arrested

 

[jessie]

He says he put more sellotape on to "connect the eyes to the mouth parts". Does he mean that he taped her entire face?

Taping from her eyes to her mouth, would cover the nose, so that she couldn't breathe. It sounds like that was how he suffocated her. What a horrible way to die - poor Becky.


http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/...tory-28063895-detail/story.html#ixzz3pqo4i5hZ

I've thought about this before. How could he have used two hands to put more sellotape round her when her legs and feet were free.

She would be twisting around, kicking etc. ?

So you let go of her, get the sellotape out, find the end(?), then wind it round her eyes and mouth?

He said he did this because she was wriggling, it just is not believable surely ?

And there is not a spot of dna on the sellotape linking it to NM??? I get it all over my hands when I use sellotape and he never mentioned wearing gloves.

 

[sar2them1984]

Here is something that jumped out to me after reading everything today:

- was there a mention early on about NM having possible ADD/autism? - or was that about someone else in this case?

Someone else - JI

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[sar2them1984]

You shouldn't get shouted at for having your own opinion, that's what makes this thread tedious at times. I know exactly what you mean.

Well I actually feel pity for him...

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[Cherwell]

I know most murderers who cut the body up do it to help them dispose of it easier but it's such a horrible added insult to the family, I wish they'd make some law whereby if you cut up a body after death, it takes away your right to plead guilty to the lesser charge of manslaughter/accidental killing.

That doesn't make any sense legally.
But I'm sure this kind of thing is taken into account as an aggravating factor when sentencing.

Wow he was actually going to pay it. Wouldn't SH have been a tad Peed off if he took her 5k though.

Perhaps that's why she started yelling at him!

 

[Gigi-G]

Well I actually feel pity for him...

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I don't know what I feel. But I do feel there's alot to this whole sad situation....more than what will be said I fear.

Like ... Motive?

It's not just about his mom. There's more..

 

[Tortoise]

He says he put more sellotape on to "connect the eyes to the mouth parts". Does he mean that he taped her entire face?

Taping from her eyes to her mouth, would cover the nose, so that she couldn't breathe. It sounds like that was how he suffocated her. What a horrible way to die - poor Becky.


http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/...tory-28063895-detail/story.html#ixzz3pqo4i5hZ

the cause of the suffocation was a hand over the mouth and nose. there was bruising, that's how they can tell.

I'm wondering if he taped up her face during the dismembering, perhaps didn't have clingfilm at home at that time, and didn't use it at all in the attack. now making out he did, because he doesn't want to admit he held his hand (or SH did but he wouldn't admit that anyway) over her airways for such a long time for her to die like that. It is a prolonged slow way of dying.

 

[YidArmyRach]

Been out all day and missed it all. Going to sit with a cuppa and catch up soon, but just wondering something because I've forgotten: how/why/when did the police discover what had happened and where Becky's body was? Did they arrest NM and he told them or did someone else tip them off?

I was reading an old newspaper report about that today, and at the time they were saying police had received a tip off.

Police said they had received information last night that Becky's body had been cut up and after searching the home and finding the body parts, five more people were arrested.

Police made the grisly discovery after acting on a tip-off

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/missing-becky-watts-live-updates-5262015

I'm not sure if that was inaccurate but a few papers at the time were reporting that a tip off had been received.

 

[jessie]

the cause of the suffocation was a hand over the mouth and nose. there was bruising, that's how they can tell.

I'm wondering if he taped up her face during the dismembering, perhaps didn't have clingfilm at home at that time, and didn't use it at all in the attack. now making out he did, because he doesn't want to admit he held his hand (or SH did but he wouldn't admit that anyway) over her airways for such a long time for her to die like that. It is a prolonged slow way of dying.

I think that if he did put pressure on her carotid artery and had a hand over her mouth at the same time, death would have been quite quick, and maybe quite unexpected.

Re. the sellotape - I just cannot comprehend how he could have managed to tape her face the way he says. That makes no sense.

Sellotape around the mouth? How difficult can it be to chew that off? If he had said duct tape or something similar maybe I could understand.

I think the sellotape was possibly post mortem.

 

[YidArmyRach]

I don't know what I feel. But I do feel there's alot to this whole sad situation....more than what will be said I fear.

Like ... Motive?

It's not just about his mom. There's more..

I think he is seriously ****ed up in head, putting it bluntly! I think he is as messed up and sick as he is evil.

I think there are issues connected to abandonment, with him being bought up by his grandmother, then seeing his own mother taking on someone else's child.

I think there is an issue with his interest in teenage girls, which only would become a problem as he got older, and the gap between ages would make it illegal.

The hoarding is a sign of mental illness, and the hoarding on lesser scale at Becky's house (but which wouldn't take much to escalate) is relevant too, as either its his stuff so is encroaching into their space, or it belongs to another member of Becky's family, meaning another hoarder/person with mental health issues.

With his mum's illness, and Becky's mental health issues, I think that family was full of stresses.

I think he is also very immature and hasn't actually grown up himself yet - going by his obsession/jealousy of a 16 year old getting more attention than him.

What SH adds to that mix, I don't know. However, from what Retribution was saying before he/she left the thread, I got the impression there is more we don't know about the family, which may also have contributed.

 

[Cherwell]

I was reading an old newspaper report about that today, and at the time they were saying police had received a tip off.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/missing-becky-watts-live-updates-5262015

I'm not sure if that was inaccurate but a few papers at the time were reporting that a tip off had been received.

I think the police phrased it as "information received", meaning that Matthews had told them himself. But that wasn't made public immediately.

 

[Kalypsa]

Haven't caught up with all the posts yet....but given the fact that there is no evidence of any sexual attack, does anyone feel that actually he DIDN'T intend to kill becky and that actually his crazy kidnapping plan is the truth.

I really want to believe SH is innocent. But I am thinking at the moment its more a case of she did KNOW what had happened....and she was just too frightened to say anything to the police, perhaps she thought the same fate lay ahead for her she spoke about it?

 

[bos]

Are we allowed to refer to posts on the Bristol Post's FB page?

 

[YidArmyRach]

Haven't caught up with all the posts yet....but given the fact that there is no evidence of any sexual attack, does anyone feel that actually he DIDN'T intend to kill becky and that actually his crazy kidnapping plan is the truth.

I really want to believe SH is innocent. But I am thinking at the moment its more a case of she did KNOW what had happened....and she was just too frightened to say anything to the police, perhaps she thought the same fate lay ahead for her she spoke about it?

If that was the case, why not tell the police when first questioned? She'd be safe at the police station with him locked up elsewhere. But she gave a very calm interview, with lots of smiles and giggles, so I don't think so.

She could have also sought help when at her mum's house - maybe got them to call the police if she was too scared to do it herself.