GUILTY UK - Sadie Hartley, 60, murdered, Helmshore, Lancs, 14 Jan 2016 #1

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Dave Guest ‏@mrdaveguest 1m1 minute ago

Tony Cross to Sarah Williams: "If you think there is no evidence you will speak, if there is evidence you remain silent.

 

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From a DM article July 7


September 2015: Walsh wrote that the pair had discussed 'a hit on a motorcycle', hoping to kill Mrs Hartley so that her death looked like a road accident.

She later added: 'Sarah turned up. Caught Hunted [Channel 4 reality show in which teams try to evade intelligence officers].



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From the same DM article, July 7 - a comment re Walsh's memory - or lack of ! BIB is mine

Another witness called to the stand today was Michael Cheers, the owner of Collinge Farm where Walsh – who he knew as Kit – taught private horse-riding lessons and where the knife, diaries and stun gun used in the alleged murder were found stashed and buried by detectives.

Mr Cheers, who first met Williams and Walsh 16 years ago when they came to him to stable horses, rents stables at the 120-acre farm and also owns an adjoining 250 acres which is a Working farm.

He said they never missed a payment for using his stables and the pair 'appeared to be good friends.'

He told the court that he saw Walsh on the morning of January 16 – two days after the alleged murder - when she came to the stables and asked him for 'an extra bail of straw'.

The next time Mr Cheers saw Walsh was on January 18 when she told him Williams had been arrested and - 'for the first time in 16 years' – she mentioned problems with her memory.

Mr Cheers said: 'I had just come out from my breakfast when I saw Kit [Walsh].

'She told me Sarah had been arrested for murder. I asked her when and where she was and Kit [Walsh] said 'I don't know. I can't remember if I don't write it down'.

'She came to the stables most mornings and if I saw her we had a chat. It had not come up in conversation before, her memory. Never once in 16 years had she said she had a problem.'




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He’s either lying or mistaken'

Miss Williams says after consultation with her solicitor she was advised to make no comment in the remainder of her police interviews.

Mr Cross says: “If you think the police have no evidence you speak, if you think they do evidence against you you remain silent. That’s right isn’t it?”

“No” replies Miss Williams.

Mr Cross asks her if Kit Walsh’s ex-husband Kevin was lying when he gave evidence to say he recognised her voice in a phone call where she allegedly asked to meet him.

“He’s either lying or mistaken.

“I can’t say whether he’s choosing to lie or is mistaken, I can’t tell you that.”


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Dave Guest ‏@mrdaveguest 10m10 minutes ago

Miss Williams being questioned about the purchase of a stun gun said to have been used in the attack on Sadie Hartley.


Dave Guest ‏@mrdaveguest 8m8 minutes ago

Tony Cross points out that in defence statement SW said she had "no idea" why Katrina bought the weapon

.....in court she said Katrina Walsh told her she bought it "for self-defence."

 

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I never wore those boots and I never slaughtered the victim'

Mr Cross tells Miss Williams she bought a pair of binoculars in Bury ‘because you wanted to scope out your target which you killed around a week later’.

“You are absolutely, entirely wrong,” Miss Williams replies.

Mr Cross then refers to a pair of boots she purchased from Deichmann’s at the Cheshire Oaks shopping park.

She has previously claimed it was Katrina Walsh’s idea to buy these, for Ian Johnston’s birthday, and that they were taken to her house afterwards to be wrapped.

“What has that man’s birthday got to do with her?

“That is a bare faced lie, you had your boots on your feet when you were slaughtering your victim,” Mr Cross says.

“I never wore those boots and I never slaughtered the victim,” she replies.


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Dave Guest ‏@mrdaveguest 6m6 minutes ago

Asked about a pair of boots which Tony Cross says SW wore "as you slaughtered your victim"

...Sarah Williams replies: "I have never worn the boots full stop or slaughtered the victim."

 

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Dave Guest ‏@mrdaveguest 1m1 minute ago

Tony Cross: "Because the police don't have CCTV of you stabbing this poor woman repeatedly you refuse to accept it.

Sarah Williams: "I couldn't possibly accept that because I didn't do it.

 

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Dave Guest ‏@mrdaveguest 8s8 seconds ago

Tony Cross: "You blame Katrina Walsh for everything."


Sarah Williams: "I say it's not me. I cannot say anything more than that, it's not me.

 

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Dave Guest ‏@mrdaveguest 3m3 minutes ago

Tony Cross: "Did you have her (Katrina Walsh) wrapped round your little finger?" Sarah Williams: "No

 

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Dave Guest ‏@mrdaveguest 2m2 minutes ago

Tony Cross: "I ask you, are you ready to tell the truth? Think about the family, tell the truth".....


Sarah Williams: "I am telling the truth."

 

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[h=3]“Mission accomplished for both defendants"[/h][FONT="]Mr McDermott says that in the call Sarah Williams “said something to the effect of ‘I’ve killed her, we need to meet up and get rid of the car and other things.”[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#494949][FONT="]The jury are now being shown footage of what the prosecution say is the pair meeting up at Westminster car park in Ellesmere Port to “dump” the Clio there.[/FONT]
[FONT="]He says a towel and washing up liquid was used to wipe down parts of the Clio. However he says “the blood in the foot well was probably not visible and was certainly missed by both of them.”[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#494949][FONT="]They then both leave in Katrina Walsh’s Astra he says.[/FONT]
[FONT="]It’s unclear who was driving but it took around an hour and a half to return to Sarah Williams’ home in Chester. They claim Walsh left there around midnight.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#494949][FONT="]“Mission accomplished for both the defendants” Mr McDermott adds.[/FONT]
[FONT="]We are now taking a short break.[/FONT]

Just bringing this post back up...I wonder what evidence they have for the call from Williams to Walsh...if it is only Walsh's statement, then it is her word against Williams unfortunately...

 

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Yet you blame Katrina Walsh for everything'

In increasingly tense exchanges between the pair, Mr Cross says: “Because the police don’t have CCTV footage of you stabbing this poor lady repeatedly you won’t admit it.”

“They couldn’t possibly have that because I didn’t do it,” Miss Williams replies.

“Yet you blame Katrina Walsh for everything” Mr Cross retorts.

“I say it’s not me. I cannot say anything more than that. It’s not me,” Miss Williams says.

“Did you have her (Mrs Walsh) wrapped round your little finger?” he asks.

“No,” she replies.


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Think of the family, tell the truth'

Mr Cross says: “I ask, are you ready to tell the truth? Think of the family, tell the truth.”

“I am telling the truth” Miss Williams replies.

She is asked why the computer element of the GPS tracker had been traced as being charged at her home.

Miss Williams: “I don’t know.”

Mr Cross: “That’s not really an answer is it.”
Miss Williams: “It’s the only one I can give you.”
“If someone was framing you for murder they wouldn’t have to bother with that bit would they?” Mr Cross says.
Miss Williams: “You can ask the question any way you like the answer will still be ‘I don’t know.’


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Letter was full of 'bile'

After a short break Mr Cross apologises to Miss Williams saying: “Apparently I raised my voice and shouted at you when I accused you of being a liar.
“I apologise it shouldn’t have happened.”

He is now referring to the letter she sent to Sadie Hartley about her relationship with Ian Johnston.

“You demonstrated real hostility to this lady with who you had no grievance didn’t you?”
He adds the letter is full of “bile.”
“Is it?” Miss Williams replies.
She repeats her earlier answer that sending it was a ‘crap thing to do’.


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Mr Cross accuses Miss Williams of telling ‘lie after lie after lie’

Miss Williams snaps ‘yes’ when she’s asked if it was a coincidence that she visited Knutsford, where Ms Hartley worked, on the day in January when Ian Johnston left to go on holiday.
“You’re not losing your temper are you?” Mr Cross asks her.
“No,” she replies.
“I have never been aware of a tracker being on my car or my person,” she says.
Mr Cross again accuses Miss Williams of telling ‘lie after lie after lie’.
“And I am going to finish my cross examination by proving that fact,” he adds.


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Dave Guest ‏@mrdaveguest 2m2 minutes ago

Tony Cross to Sarah Williams: "You thought you had planned the perfect murder."

Sarah Williams: "I haven't planned any murder, perfect or otherwise

 

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Dave Guest ‏@mrdaveguest 1m1 minute ago

Sarah Williams is now being cross examined by the prosecution

 

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There’s a world of difference between selling a holiday product and trying to con the police'

Mr Cross wraps up his cross-examination by accusing Sarah Williams of ‘trying to con the police and this jury’.
“You thought you had planned the perfect murder.”

Miss Williams: “I hadn’t planned any murder.”

Mr Cross: “You thought you had planned the perfect murder which is why you were so confident when you were arrested.

Miss Williams: “I haven’t planned any murder, perfect or otherwise, and I certainly wasn’t confident when I was arrested I was terrified.”

Mr Cross: “When you were asked if you were good at work, at selling things you said you weren’t ‘quite’ good but were ‘very’ good.

“You thought you could con the police when they came calling and you think you can con this jury.”

Miss Williams: “No.

“There’s a world of difference between selling a holiday product and trying to con the police and a jury.

“They are not one and the same thing.”

Mr Cross says he has no more questions.

Prosecutor John McDermott QC is now on his feet cross-examining her on behalf of the crown.


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Renault Clio bought with 'murder in mind'

Mr McDermott says the Renault Clio, which the prosecution allege Miss Williams used to drive to the scene, was clearly bought ‘with murder in mind’.

“There can be no doubt it was the murder car,” he adds.

“Yes,” says Miss Williams, but denies it was her who used it.

She stands by her earlier evidence that Katrina Walsh wanted to buy it as she expected her Vauxhall Astra to fail its MOT.


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