GUILTY UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #4

[Dotta]

With constant bombshells in this trial
(caused by a certain weeping defendant)
I guess all KCs have to discuss things with the Judge
(including scratching their heads, oops wigs)

JMO

 

[iamshadow21]

I also think she died in the shed. Bound, taped, beaten.

Her clothes / soiled leggings found outside were soaking wet. I wonder whether one of them, either before US got home or after, used the jet wash to try and revive her with cold water? Or check whether she was pretending. Or 'turned the hose on her' as yet more abuse?

It would be risky to wash her body with the jet wash outside - they could be overlooked by neighbours, and if they tried to do it in the small shed they too would get soaked. The bath indoors would surely be easier?

The amount of threads I have read with child abuse murders where the abusers stick the kid in the bath or shower to try to revive them is far from zero. It wouldn't surprise me if it was an attempt to revive, but it equally wouldn't surprise me if it was an attempt to clean her up to try to make her condition look less awful to outside eyes, and failing. Like the boy in the box, Joseph Zarelli, who was cleaned and had his hair cut post mortem, but that couldn't hide his emaciation or the clear injuries from years of abuse and one final, lethal, beating.

MOO

 

[su5ie]

Sara Sharif’s dad denies destroying phone evidence

Jurors were "denied the treasure trove” of evidence surrounding Sara's death, the Old Bailey hears.

www.bbc.com

Phones conveniently left in Pakistan. Surely loving gentle grandfather could have past them on to law enforcement.

 

[Tortoise]

This all seems as if there is some sort of orchestration going on to me. I'm wondering if Urfan has been able to speak to his father from an illegal phone in prison. Maybe the plan is for Beinash to get her children back? IDK but I do know this man has no conscience.

 

[Kasmeer]

Re Faisal Malik, what about the McDonald's uniform being put in with the other stuff? Just coincidence?

I've no idea what to make of that - I hadn't seen it when I wrote my post. Could be relevant, in what way, who knows - could be he was involved in the violence, or could be he was the one who did the cleaning of Sara, having not previously been involved. I'm on the fence about him until more information comes out, luckily the jury will know more than I do.

 

[pukasonqo2]

It does seem very strange to me that the house was seemingly deep cleaned and tidied, Sara’s body was washed, the Ring door bell was removed before the family fled to Pakistan ….and yet the cricket bat, belt and pole, the nappies, makeshift hoods and other items were left in the bin/outside and not disposed of. Was one of the adults trying to leave evidence to incriminate the others?

Part of the rites for the dead is to wash the body before wrapping it in a shroud, so maybe it was either an attempt to get rid of evidence or a way to restore some dignity to Sara and maybe atonement?

“A Muslim community believes three things occur as they wash, shroud and bury the dead: The body returns to the earth, from which it was made; the soul faces judgment; and the living are reminded that their time on Earth is limited, their opportunity to do good may end at any moment”.
source: Islam's ritual of washing the body bestows respect on the dead
And:

Ghusl

Ghusl Procedure Burial Procedure Kaffan

www.mfs.asn.au

 

[FlamingLily]

Far worse this goes way beyond the horrors of physical violence . This is a Fred and Rose West scenario a total and utter horror house . The cases that never leave public consciousness . The cases from which books are written and documentaries made . One we will all never forget and one where a 10 year old girl was subjected to the most severe and extreme abuses a depraved mind can think up .

It worries me that Sara's brother has seen and felt too much abuse of particularly female family members to grow up into a decent citizen and potential father himself. I hope the cycle stops with this Sharif generation. But I have more hope for emotional rehabilitation of the four younger siblings. JMO

 

[FlamingLily]

How did they even think of bringing her into the garden to jetwash her body anyway god this is beyond any dark thoughts I could have imagined happened to poor Sara.

Or was she already in the out house and this is why weapons were in the garden ? Was she allowed in the house at all ?prehaps she was imprisoned in the shed and died in there . Was she hooded and bound in there . Did she even die upstairs.

I'm getting to the stage where the only thing I believe is forensic evidence and the questions put to the defendants. I don't believe any version that comes out of any of their mouths . Its all lies and fabrication.
Unfortunately with the selfishness of those on trial we will never know the true history of events . Only Sara's injuries will tell a story of abuse inflicted but not by who or when or where . Liars the lot of them . I hope they all rot in hell .

I think if they had of killed her from the first assault it would have been kinder

Totally. Is anyone else also bothered by the neighbour accounts of screaming during the day but quiet when Urfan home? How is this possible?

 

[Yellowbelly]

It does seem very strange to me that the house was seemingly deep cleaned and tidied, Sara’s body was washed, the Ring door bell was removed before the family fled to Pakistan ….and yet the cricket bat, belt and pole, the nappies, makeshift hoods and other items were left in the bin/outside and not disposed of. Was one of the adults trying to leave evidence to incriminate the others?

Maybe they're just not very bright. Most murderers are stupid people who do stupid things. That's how they get caught.

 

[CocktailQueen]

Totally. Is anyone else also bothered by the neighbour accounts of screaming during the day but quiet when Urfan home? How is this possible?

I think the kids were terrified of US. They would have been too scared to make a noise when he was there and him just giving them a look would be sufficient to make them be quiet. Also when he was physically abusing them they may have been told if they cried out they would get it worse or maybe they were even gagged (parcel tape?).

 

[Dotta]

From G Dragon

Friday, November 15



Prosecutor, Mr Emlyn Jones KC,
then asked Sharif if Beinash Batool would call Sharif home and he would go home and beat Sara.

Sharif replied that this wasn’t always the case,
but it did happen sometimes.

He said that he couldn’t explain if he was doing this in a loss of temper or if this was controlled.

Mr Jones
suggested that Sharif was called home by Batool
and that
Sara would already be bound ready for him to beat:
“That’s the truth isn’t it, Mr Sharif, the awful truth?”.
Sharif denied this

Mr Emlyn Jones
then questioned whether Sara had become incontinent or if there was another explanation for the nappies.
He suggested that Sara had to wear nappies because she was being restrained and tied up so she couldn’t go to the bathroom.

He also suggested that
Sara had a different status in the house to the rest of the children
because they weren’t Batool’s. Mr Emlyn Jones said that Sharif’s attempts at discipline, in addition to making Sara’s life a misery, also
“made her behaviour worse as she rebelled against you”.

Mr Jones suggested that Sharif and Batool conspired between them to
“keep the violent treatment of Sara secret from the rest of the world".

Much more in the link:

Guildford Dragon NEWS

Guildford News

guildford-dragon.com

 

[porkypies]

I think bienash or malik went out to "check " on Sara and make sure she was still bound and still had the hood on and discovered her dead urfan was summoned and most probably sara was in there from the night she suffered the brain damage 2 days previously they went in to see if she had "learnt her lesson "I think she soiled herself during the dying process as the body rids itself of any waste . Nothing was brought into the house to contaminate it with evidence. She was beat out there she died out there and was given her Muslim death wash with a power hose out there . The plan was set to flee , bags packed and house was clinically scrubbed ring door bell was removed and off to the airport as cool as you like as if going on holiday I really hope hell exists .

String of swear words come out of my mouth The end

I wonder if the hoods were taped onto Sara's head to prevent her vomit from getting spread about? since her vomiting seems to be one reason that Urfan used to become angry and as an excuse to beat her.
They could have been used in case she vomited - whenever she was put in the shed and/or taped up or locked up.
And with 5 other children in the house, who must have realised that she was not indoors at times, how did the adults explain to them where she was and why?

 

[FlamingLily]

The amount of threads I have read with child abuse murders where the abusers stick the kid in the bath or shower to try to revive them is far from zero. It wouldn't surprise me if it was an attempt to revive, but it equally wouldn't surprise me if it was an attempt to clean her up to try to make her condition look less awful to outside eyes, and failing. Like the boy in the box, Joseph Zarelli, who was cleaned and had his hair cut post mortem, but that couldn't hide his emaciation or the clear injuries from years of abuse and one final, lethal, beating.

MOO

Bones don't lie, do they. Like rings on treetrunks, telling of every fire, flood and famine.

 

[Kittypoo]

I think Sara died in the outhouse too.

The siblings would be able to confirm if Sara was kept in the outhouse. Even the little ones who are able to talk. I would say this is now crucial as the Dad is compulsive liar

 

[Dotta]

From G Dragon

The trail resumes on Monday at 12pm
when the court will be told
whether
Beinash Batool will give evidence.

Guildford Dragon NEWS

Guildford News

guildford-dragon.com

 

[iamshadow21]

Bones don't lie, do they. Like rings on treetrunks, telling of every fire, flood and famine.

Injuries, nutrition, genetic conditions and diseases... It's all there.

A yoga dvd I have, the teacher on that, when giving his talk of that particular class, says at one point "bones and stones carry information". He's talking about how your body, like the layers of rock that make up the crust of the earth, records everything that happens to you in some way. He's a yoga teacher, but he could as easily be a forensic anthropologist or pathologist in that moment. We are the sum total, physically, of everything that happens to us. And the right person can read that like a book.

There's no ambiguity in what happened to Sara, or the inescapable responsibility bourne by every adult who knew something and did nothing to help her. Her body is the best witness to the truth, against the lies of the living.

MOO

 

[Kittypoo]

I wonder if the hoods were taped onto Sara's head to prevent her vomit from getting spread about? since her vomiting seems to be one reason that Urfan used to become angry and as an excuse to beat her.
They could have been used in case she vomited - whenever she was put in the shed and/or taped up or locked up.
And with 5 other children in the house, who must have realised that she was not indoors at times, how did the adults explain to them where she was and why?

If Sara vomited whilst wearing the hood cause of death could be aspiration

 

[FlamingLily]

I wonder if the hoods were taped onto Sara's head to prevent her vomit from getting spread about? since her vomiting seems to be one reason that Urfan used to become angry and as an excuse to beat her.
They could have been used in case she vomited - whenever she was put in the shed and/or taped up or locked up.
And with 5 other children in the house, who must have realised that she was not indoors at times, how did the adults explain to them where she was and why?

That sounds probable. It reminds me of the Sebastian Kalinowski case where the steroid-pumped stepdad beat the young teen for eating slowly due to internal injuries from his daily beatings. Infact he also got tortured for needing the toilet at night as the footsteps annoyed his mum and stepdad. Heartbreaking.

 

[Moll]

Part of the rites for the dead is to wash the body before wrapping it in a shroud, so maybe it was either an attempt to get rid of evidence or a way to restore some dignity to Sara and maybe atonement?

“A Muslim community believes three things occur as they wash, shroud and bury the dead: The body returns to the earth, from which it was made; the soul faces judgment; and the living are reminded that their time on Earth is limited, their opportunity to do good may end at any moment”.
source: Islam's ritual of washing the body bestows respect on the dead
And:

Ghusl

Ghusl Procedure Burial Procedure Kaffan

www.mfs.asn.au

We went through all this before, when it seemed possible that there was some decency left in these people. Personally I doubt any of them (least of all her father, who whacked her across the stomach with a pole as she lay dying) was concerned with anything other than getting rid of the evidence and escaping.
Oh, and as was pointed out by Mr Ivers KC, he lied for over a week in court having sworn on the Qu'uran to tell the truth.

 

[UK Girl]

Totally. Is anyone else also bothered by the neighbour accounts of screaming during the day but quiet when Urfan home? How is this possible?

I think she abused them far more than he is making out tbh