GUILTY UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #4

[su5ie]

IMO -
I think that Batool will need to be cross-examined on 4 levels -

• Her relationship with Sara - As a guardian, did she fulfill her duties or use her as a slave and child minder.
• Any and all evidence of her actually harming Sara (let's not forget the bite mark)
• Batool's failure to prevent harm to Sara.
• Contradictions between her testimony and evidence presented in court.

I do think that there is going to be a fair bit of guilt on her part on the first 3 levels and the 4th level will be come out as part of the cross examination.

I do think on the first 3 levels bienash is extremely guilty . And I really hope she is questioned in the box and it doesn't go straight to sentencing.

I'm really interested in malik being questioned by prosecution too and as bad as I sound would hate to not hear what he has to say .

I will say in a lot of big families usually the eldest daughter will be required to help out with the younger kids and prehaps help mother with chores this crosses all divides and all cultures. Sons may help too prehaps by watching younger kids or doing laundry or helping out with gardening duties while mother and daughter prepare dinner . This scenario in an old world view would I suppose be families being
inter-dependent on each other to pull their weight . Obviously this was not Sara's world .

I also think urfan ruled the roost and bienash did as she was told .

 

[Dotta]

Although Urfan Sharif confessed to killing Sara Sharif, the court will still need to establish his guilt through evidence and follow due process. A confession alone is not always sufficient to convict someone. In this complex case, they will need to make sure that the degree of involvement with each of the three parties is clearly determined.

The court will have to continue to scrutinize all evidence and testimony, even after Sharif’s confession. Batool will likely still face cross-examination to determine her involvement in Sara’s death.

I agree.

(What if a defendant produces a false confession,
for whatever reason?

I'm not talking about U,
but generally)

The trial must go on.
And all evidence must be presented in front of the Jury.

Re U.

IMO
He is a primitive, violent addict, probably an alcoholic.
I bet he beat this poor child under influence.
He has problems with anger issues, cannot contain fits of rage.
A madman.

Later,
he might have felt sorry,
until the next time - that is.

Anything could trigger him.
I guess other children were walking on eggshells around him.

I don't really think he realized he could kill Sara.
He just wasn't thinking properly in a fit of rage.
I suspect he has serious mental issues.

Killing a child meant leaving the UK in a hurry,
and I doubt he wanted this.

After all,
he was trying for so long to stay in England.

Didn't he have a cosy life there?
Nice house, nice job and a family.

JMO

 

[Yellowbelly]

IMO -
I think that Batool will need to be cross-examined on 4 levels -

• Her relationship with Sara - As a guardian, did she fulfill her duties or use her as a slave and child minder.
• Any and all evidence of her actually harming Sara (let's not forget the bite mark)
• Batool's failure to prevent harm to Sara.
• Contradictions between her testimony and evidence presented in court.

I do think that there is going to be a fair bit of guilt on her part on the first 3 levels and the 4th level will be come out as part of the cross examination.

This assumes that she takes the stand in her own defence. She's not obliged to.

 

[CaptainNancy]

There is so much evidence against Batool- she ordered the tape, the screams when he was not in the house, the unidentified bite mark, the lying to the school-at the very least the 'allowing the death of a child' must stick.

 

[su5ie]

I agree.

(What if a defendant produces a false confession,
for whatever reason?

I'm not talking about U,
but generally)

The trial must go on.
And all evidence must be presented in front of the Jury.

Re U.

IMO
He is a primitive, violent addict, probably an alcoholic.
I bet he beat this poor child under influence.
He has problems with anger issues, cannot contain fits of rage.
A madman.

Later,
he might feel sorry,
until the next time - that is.
Anything can trigger him.
I guess other children were walking on eggshells around him.

I don't really think he realized he could kill Sara.
He just wasn't thinking properly in a fit of rage.
I suspect he has serious mental issues.

Killing a child meant leaving the UK in a hurry,
and I doubt he wanted this.
After all,
he was trying for so long to stay in England.
Didn't he have a cosy life there?
Nice house, nice job and a family.

JMO

JMO

I think urfan beat Sara as an example to the whole household in other words if you step out of line this will happen to you . I don't think urfan thought that far ahead to be honest as he could have killed her during any of the beatings.
He was clever enough to hide this side of himself to the outside world But how many times have we heard the same old story said about murders ,sex offenders, paedophile etc 'oh they were such a lovely person " , church goer etc . I don't think urfan had control over any of his action the only veneer of control he had was avoiding allowing his mask to slip in public .

I do think a person's upbringing CAN play a part in what they deem as acceptable. Our childhood is where we learn our morals and patterns of behaviour. But plenty of people who grow up in the most horrendous of situations and turn out all right . The abused don't always become the abuser and the molly coddled sometimes go on to be offenders so I'm actually sick of the mental health excuse being wheeled out in courtrooms the world over and hope cultural differences and what is considered acceptable in SOME Muslim families is not used to excuse his attitude . all adults have freedom of choice and urfan was given the opportunity to change and see the light by being offered the various course and he chose to carry on and ignore those trying to offer him betterment imo

mental health is such a broad term and can mean anything from anxiety and depression to personality disorder to a huge range of other disorders. And I feel it unfair of courts to allow a bad upbringing or addiction to excuse the behaviour of the defendant in a murder case

 

[Alyce]

 

[Alyce]

IMO -
I think that Batool will need to be cross-examined on 4 levels -

• Her relationship with Sara - As a guardian, did she fulfill her duties or use her as a slave and child minder.
• Any and all evidence of her actually harming Sara (let's not forget the bite mark)
• Batool's failure to prevent harm to Sara.
• Contradictions between her testimony and evidence presented in court.

I do think that there is going to be a fair bit of guilt on her part on the first 3 levels and the 4th level will be come out as part of the cross examination.

That's assuming she gives testimony - personally I don't think she has plans to go anywhere near the witness box

 

[Skigh]

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His barrister will need a stiff drink this evening!!!

 

[Nikynoo]

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Is he really expecting the jury to ignore three confessions, one of them in front of the jury itself?

 

[su5ie]

Is he really expecting the jury to ignore three confessions, one of them in front of the jury itself?

FFS . Looks like something got to urfans conscience most probably trying to save his brother or feeling sorry for himself and hoping the jury would consider a lighter sentence with a guilty plea .
His barrister would have had a stern word during recess and "changed his mind "

I would imagine no matter how impartial a jury is suppose to be when faced with these circumstances they have already made up their mind on urfans fate .

Maybe urfan is trying to geta sentence in a mental hospital and I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if he does the guilty by reason of insanity he certainly is coming across as insane

 

[Dotta]

Haven't I just written about
"MH issues"?

He is a madman IMO.
Dangerous one.

I bet he didn't inform his Barrister KC before his "confession".

He is turning the Court of Law into a CIRCUS

JMO

 

[FlamingLily]

Haven't I just written about
"MH issues"?

He is a madman.

I bet he didn't inform his Barrister KC before his "confession".

He is turning the Court into a CIRCUS

JMO

And by admitting to everything he's lying AGAIN.

 

[Yellowbelly]

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What! So now he's trying to withdraw what he said in front of the jury this morning! What an absolute shambles!

 

[Dotta]

And by admitting to everything he's lying AGAIN.

It seems to me his Defence Barrister KC
has NOT control over this individual.
U does and says
whatever pops into his sick mind.

JMO

 

[PineWey]

And by admitting to everything he's lying AGAIN.

He seems incapable of telling the truth !

 

[Caroclaud]

I wonder if he will claim he was protecting B from a murder charge, by ‘falsely confessing’?

 

[CaptainNancy]

It seems to me his Defence Barrister KC
has NOT control over this individual.
U does and says
whatever pops into his sick mind.

JMO

A defence barrister is not allowed to coach their client, or tell them what to say though. Only give them facts and advise on the legal options. As far as I know.

Also, I thought that during the period in which a defendant is acting as a witness they are not allowed contact with their counsel. That was certainly the case in a trial I observed.

 

[su5ie]

How come the defendants can leave the courtroom urfan left the other day and bienash this morning??

 

[Dotta]

A defence barrister is not allowed to coach their client, or tell them what to say though. Only give them facts and advise on the legal options. As far as I know.

Also, I thought that during the period in which a defendant is acting as a witness they are not allowed contact with their counsel. That was certainly the case in a trial I observed.

Thanks.

Nevertheless,
I think some strategy should be observed, no?

It would be nice to inform his lawyer
and not make a fool out of him in front of the whole world
(in this instance).

Let's be serious.

PS
I HOPE there will NOT be a mistrial

JMO

 

[FlamingLily]

And by admitting to everything he's lying AGAIN.

Does anyone think his change in narrative is still controlling behaviour? So very out of his depth by day seven and so irredeemable his reputation, time for plan B: be the one to sway the fate for B or F. The villain hero.