GUILTY UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #4

[Nikynoo]

B as a step parent wouldn't have PR unless there was a specific order in place saying so.

I agree with comments that there is still a LOT U isn't taking responsibility for IMO.

She does in respect to education under the Education Act.

ETA supporting information.

It is important that schools and local authorities are aware that parents may be recognised differently under education law and under family law. Section 576 of the Education Act 1996 states that, in relation to a child or young person, a ‘parent’ includes any person who is not a parent (from which can be inferred ‘biological parent’) but who has parental responsibility for or care of the child.

For the purposes of education law, the Department for Education (DfE) considers a ‘parent’ to include:

• all biological parents, whether they are married or not
• any person who, although not a biological parent, has parental responsibility for a child or young person – this could be an adoptive parent, a step-parent, a guardian or other relative
• any person who, although they are not a biological parent and do not have parental responsibility, has care of a child or young person

A person typically has care of a child or young person if the child lives with them either full or part time and they look after them, irrespective of what their biological or legal relationship is with the child.

Understanding and dealing with issues relating to parental responsibility

www.gov.uk

 

[irnbru]

I wonder if he knew his brother's defence would condemn him?

He seems to have believed he could prevail in any battle of lies with B (a mere woman, a wife, U's history with women and wives gives a clear picture of how he values women and how he deals with disputes with them and he has successfully argued that they are in fact the bad ones before). But if his brother was going to defend himself by saying "I never beat her myself but U did..."?

I have no idea what happens now with this trial, does anyone else?

 

[Moll]

Apologies if this bit (bolded by me) has been posted before, I haven't noticed it. It looks as if it was agreed BB's defence lawyer could continue to pursue Urfan Sharif on the important question of his intention. He admits that he intended to cause her really serious harm. In which case it does continue to be an admission of murder, doesn't it? I'm not a lawyer so would be grateful for a lawyer's comment.

ETA I think Nikynoo and Yellowbelly have in fact answered that question in the past half hour so this just illustrates that he has explicitly admitted his intention.


'Mr Justice Cavanagh called for a short break before Ms Carberry continued to question the defendant in detail about what exactly he was admitting to.
She said: “Do you accept that you killed her by beating her? Do you accept you had been beating Sara severely over a number of weeks?
“Do you accept using the cricket bat to beat her. Do you accept using the cricket bat as a weapon on her on a number of occasions? Do you accept that you used that cricket bat on her with force?”

The defendant replied: “Yes ma’am.”
Mr Carberry went on: “Do you accept the post-mortem evidence that those fractures – at least 25 in number – were caused by you during assaults with a weapon?”
She asked what Sara had done, in his mind, to deserve such treatment, saying: “Were you angry with her because in the summer of last year she had started soiling herself? And she had started vomiting, hadn’t she?
“And when you hit her severely and repeatedly with the cricket bat you intended to hurt her, didn’t you? And you knew that by hitting her in the way that you did you weren’t just going to cause a little bruise to her body. You hit her intending to cause her really serious harm.”
The defendant agreed.
Mr Carberry said: “You have pleaded not guilty to the offence of murder. Would you like that charge to be put to you again?”
Sharif replied: “Yeah.”
His barrister Naeem Mian KC then stood up and asked for time to speak to Sharif.'

Sara Sharif’s father ‘takes full responsibility’ for her death

CONTENT WARNING: This article contains details some readers may find distressing.

www.wokingnewsandmail.co.uk

 

[Tortoise]

I think he did intend her to die, because past a certain point there was no way she was going to return to a normal life with that extent of injuries and broken bones, with no medical attention. How can you continue acting in anger, once a child is in that broken state?

 

[Nikynoo]

Apologies if this bit (bolded) has been posted before, I haven't noticed it. It looks as if it was agreed BB's defence lawyer could continue to pursue Urfan Sharif on the important question of his intention. He admits that he intended to cause her really serious harm. In which case it does continue to be an admission of murder, doesn't it? I'm not a lawyer so would be grateful for a lawyer's comment.


'Mr Justice Cavanagh called for a short break before Ms Carberry continued to question the defendant in detail about what exactly he was admitting to.
She said: “Do you accept that you killed her by beating her? Do you accept you had been beating Sara severely over a number of weeks?
“Do you accept using the cricket bat to beat her. Do you accept using the cricket bat as a weapon on her on a number of occasions? Do you accept that you used that cricket bat on her with force?”

The defendant replied: “Yes ma’am.”
Mr Carberry went on: “Do you accept the post-mortem evidence that those fractures – at least 25 in number – were caused by you during assaults with a weapon?”
She asked what Sara had done, in his mind, to deserve such treatment, saying: “Were you angry with her because in the summer of last year she had started soiling herself? And she had started vomiting, hadn’t she?
“And when you hit her severely and repeatedly with the cricket bat you intended to hurt her, didn’t you? And you knew that by hitting her in the way that you did you weren’t just going to cause a little bruise to her body. You hit her intending to cause her really serious harm.”
The defendant agreed.
Mr Carberry said: “You have pleaded not guilty to the offence of murder. Would you like that charge to be put to you again?”
Sharif replied: “Yeah.”
His barrister Naeem Mian KC then stood up and asked for time to speak to Sharif.'

Sara Sharif’s father ‘takes full responsibility’ for her death

CONTENT WARNING: This article contains details some readers may find distressing.

www.wokingnewsandmail.co.uk

Not a criminal lawyer, so relying on what I learnt 25 years ago. The intent was to cause 'really serious harm', that together with the admittance of use of weapons (cricket bat), means murder, not manslaughter imo. It does not matter whether he had a firm 'intention' to murder her, serious harm is enough, and it is obvious (to a reasonable person) that beating a child with a cricket bat would likely cause the death of that child.

 

[irnbru]

I think he did intend her to die, because past a certain point there was no way she was going to return to a normal life with that extent of injuries and broken bones, with no medical attention. How can you continue acting in anger, once a child is in that broken state?

I think he knew that she could die and didn't care. I don't think he had the specific thought "I am going to kill her now". Although the impression I have formed of him is that he is one of those people who believes others *belong* to him and that it is for him to decide what happens to them and his decisions are right because they are his. That he saw his poor beautiful innocent little daughter as his possession, to he broken at his will.

It is murder in my head that way too, because he knew he was brutally harming her and that this could kill her. He knew. He didn't *care*.

 

[Skigh]

I think he did intend her to die, because past a certain point there was no way she was going to return to a normal life with that extent of injuries and broken bones, with no medical attention. How can you continue acting in anger, once a child is in that broken state?

I am in two minds about whether he intended her to die. I do think he is not very intelligent and able to think through the consequences of his actions. Maybe Sara had come through other severe beatings and he expected the same this time.

 

[MadeleineMaxwell]

Following the surprise of this morning I wonder if any of the MSM might start live tweeting?

 

[Moll]

He didn't care if she died, he intended (by his own admission this morning) to cause her really serious harm. That's enough for this to be murder.

Also, with regard to all three of them - don't forget she had been starved over a long period. The pathologist found evidence in her bones.

 

[Skigh]

Mr Carberry went on: “Do you accept the post-mortem evidence that those fractures – at least 25 in number – were caused by you during assaults with a weapon?”
She asked what Sara had done, in his mind, to deserve such treatment, saying: “Were you angry with her because in the summer of last year she had started soiling herself? And she had started vomiting, hadn’t she?


I think it is possible that BB burnt and scalded her because of soiling and/or wetting . The bite marks might have been when she was changing Sara..

 

[Noseyjosie]

With regards to the video of Sara dancing a couple of days before she died, I think we'd be surprised how "normal" she was able to behave, despite her injuries.

Let's not forget that being in pain etc. would have been her default - for want of a better term - state, for a long time.
IME if you're in constant pain or discomfort it becomes the norm and you adapt to it. Obviously her poor little body would have been really struggling with the accumulated injuries, but, sadly, it doesn't surprise me at all that Sara appeared to be "ok"........ up until the next, fatal, beating.

JMO

 

[Skigh]

Sara Sharif: Father takes responsibility for death of 10-year-old daughter

Urfan Sharif accepts “responsibility” for her death but denies he meant to kill her, a court heard.

www.bbc.com

Sharif also told jurors that he caused fractures to Sara and used a cricket bat and a metal pole.

Earlier, Ms Carberry KC asked Mr Sharif: “You have pleaded not guilty to the offence of murder. Would you like that charge to be put to you again?”

“Yes,” he said.

His barrister, Naeem Mian KC, then stood up and asked for time to speak to his defendant.

After a break, Mr Sharif declined to change his plea.

 

[PKFS]

Although Urfan Sharif confessed to killing Sara Sharif, the court will still need to establish his guilt through evidence and follow due process. A confession alone is not always sufficient to convict someone. In this complex case, they will need to make sure that the degree of involvement with each of the three parties is clearly determined.

The court will have to continue to scrutinize all evidence and testimony, even after Sharif’s confession. Batool will likely still face cross-examination to determine her involvement in Sara’s death.

 

[Alyce]

Sara Sharif: Father takes responsibility for death of 10-year-old daughter

Urfan Sharif accepts “responsibility” for her death but denies he meant to kill her, a court heard.

www.bbc.com

Sharif also told jurors that he caused fractures to Sara and used a cricket bat and a metal pole.

Earlier, Ms Carberry KC asked Mr Sharif: “You have pleaded not guilty to the offence of murder. Would you like that charge to be put to you again?”

“Yes,” he said.

His barrister, Naeem Mian KC, then stood up and asked for time to speak to his defendant.

After a break, Mr Sharif declined to change his plea.

So after a discussion with his KC, it looks like he is now going for the…

I caused her death, but I didn’t murder her… defence


From memory, that one doesn't go down too well with Juries

 

[PKFS]

IMO -
I think that Batool will need to be cross-examined on 4 levels -

• Her relationship with Sara - As a guardian, did she fulfill her duties or use her as a slave and child minder.
• Any and all evidence of her actually harming Sara (let's not forget the bite mark)
• Batool's failure to prevent harm to Sara.
• Contradictions between her testimony and evidence presented in court.

I do think that there is going to be a fair bit of guilt on her part on the first 3 levels and the 4th level will be come out as part of the cross examination.

 

[su5ie]

Mr Carberry went on: “Do you accept the post-mortem evidence that those fractures – at least 25 in number – were caused by you during assaults with a weapon?”
She asked what Sara had done, in his mind, to deserve such treatment, saying: “Were you angry with her because in the summer of last year she had started soiling herself? And she had started vomiting, hadn’t she?


I think it is possible that BB burnt and scalded her because of soiling and/or wetting . The bite marks might have been when she was changing Sara..

Wetting can be a common "symptom " of being afraid and living with fear of abuse . I'm sure soiling is probably the result of same but I was wondering was Sara deprived of using the toliet when she was bound for possibly long hours and developed a habit of soiling or did her injuries of the spine cause her to loose control over these functions and if Ms Carberry was able to say it was last summer did bienash tell her or was Sara brought to a doctor and its on file

 

[PKFS]

Wetting can be a common "symptom " of being afraid and living with fear of abuse . I'm sure soiling is probably the result of same but I was wondering was Sara deprived of using the toliet when she was bound for possibly long hours and developed a habit of soiling or did her injuries of the spine cause her to loose control over these functions and if Ms Carberry was able to say it was last summer did bienash tell her or was Sara brought to a doctor and its on file

I highly doubt this was brought to a doctor as the doctor would have raised a big fat blaring alarm.

Unless one of them speaks the truth, we will never know about the details and the day-to-day torture of Sara.

This is why I strongly believe the brother (who is not accused) should be the voice of truth and show his love for Sara by speaking the truth. For his mental wellbeing and for justice for Sara! (JMO)

 

[CaptainNancy]

It's hard not to have an over-riding emotional response to this case.

I have written a Haiku

Tears fall on dock bench
A Jury rises hearts chilled
Child cries from heaven

 

[Smithpanes]

It's hard not to have an over-riding emotional response to this case.

I have written a Haiku

Tears fall on dock bench
A Jury rises hearts chilled
Child cries from heaven

That’s beautiful.

 

[Skigh]

Wetting can be a common "symptom " of being afraid and living with fear of abuse . I'm sure soiling is probably the result of same but I was wondering was Sara deprived of using the toliet when she was bound for possibly long hours and developed a habit of soiling or did her injuries of the spine cause her to loose control over these functions and if Ms Carberry was able to say it was last summer did bienash tell her or was Sara brought to a doctor and its on file

Beinash told Urfan Sara started to wear nappies in late July ,she apparently told him it was because of Sara's maturing and it was not uncommon for girls to wet themselves during this time.My personal thoughts are she was unable to get to the loo, because of being restrained or locked in somewhere. Maybe just another way to humiliate her.