GUILTY UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #4

[UK Girl]

If the quote in this article is to be believed: 'Heartbroken' mourners honour murdered 'angel' Sara Sharif, 10 Sara's brother should not be going back into Olga's guardianship.

"They (the unnamed social worker who'd been at her job for only 9 months) wrote that Ms Dolmin, 38, 'pinched, punched' and threatened her daughter 'with lighters and being drowned in the bath'." I don't see any reason to not believe that Olga abused and threatened Sara in this way or to not believe the possibility she did similar to N. when he was younger.

MOO

Oh, the tragedy that Sara was removed from one physically and emotionally abusive parent and given into the hands of the other physically abusive and manipulative parent who killed her (along with his new wife).
Poor Sara, let down by all the adults around her and old enough to realise it too on some level or other.
JMO

In the BBC article that was released the day of the verdict it said one child was removed from Olga and not returned so yes I agree there is no real reason to disbelieve it...and also agree she was let down by all the parents/step parents in her life

 

[su5ie]

Can anyone recall if the grandfather expressed any empathy about what happened to Sara other than saying she was a nice girl and those responsible should face the law a statement which seems as though he is talking about an unknown perpetrator. He seems detached emotionally from her death and his emphasis in interviews seems to be more on how he can provide stability for the remaining children and how he feels his sons are innocent.

I had a look back over his interviews and he just doesn't seem to be affected by Sara's brutal murder jmo another thing that bothers me about what he says is him stating the children don't want to leave him . Imo the children haven't been in a neutral space to express their wants without fear .I'm not suggesting this fear comes from the grandfather but rather from a conditioning learnt in their previous home environment.

I believe all the children have a long journey ahead before they feel truly safe I just hope that while a custody court case is ongoing that they are not lulled into a false sense of security and then when peering eyes turn away its snatched away from them .

 

[CaptainNancy]

Can anyone recall if the grandfather expressed any empathy about what happened to Sara other than saying she was a nice girl and those responsible should face the law a statement which seems as though he is talking about an unknown perpetrator. He seems detached emotionally from her death and his emphasis in interviews seems to be more on how he can provide stability for the remaining children and how he feels his sons are innocent.

I had a look back over his interviews and he just doesn't seem to be affected by Sara's brutal murder jmo another thing that bothers me about what he says is him stating the children don't want to leave him . Imo the children haven't been in a neutral space to express their wants without fear .I'm not suggesting this fear comes from the grandfather but rather from a conditioning learnt in their previous home environment.

I believe all the children have a long journey ahead before they feel truly safe I just hope that while a custody court case is ongoing that they are not lulled into a false sense of security and then when peering eyes turn away its snatched away from them .

In this article Sara Sharif's grandfather will 'fight to keep her siblings safe in Pakistan' the grandfather talks about his grief for Sara.

“Muhammed spoke of his shock after his family suddenly landed in Pakistan and came straight to his home. ‘When Urfan unexpectedly arrived at our family home in Jhelum to inform me that Sara is no more, I could hardly believe it,’ he said. “‘I had anticipated her arrival with them, got shocking news about her. I was broken with grief, crying out and shouting; it was a heart-wrenching experience for me… When police began their search, they left early the next morning to evade arrest.’”

Then as now Muhammad Sharif blames Batool.

However, personally, if I was led to believe that my daughter in law had killed my grandchild I would be contacting the police, not helping them evade arrest. JMO.

 

[Cherwell]

In the BBC article that was released the day of the verdict it said one child was removed from Olga and not returned so yes I agree there is no real reason to disbelieve it...and also agree she was let down by all the parents/step parents in her life

Bear with me, as I haven't been following this closely. But are you sure that the child was Olga's?
Assuming that the child that was not returned to her was "Z".

[Sharif] married Sara's mother, Olga Domin - who was Polish and spoke little English - in Woking, in 2009.
...........
...... growing concerns of neglect and violence in the family, including against one of Sara's siblings, referred to in court as "Z".
In 2010, "Z" was found alone in a shop aged just three.

So "Z" was born c2007, two years before Sharif married Olga. I don't know when they first met, but could Z be a child from an earlier relationship?

After the initial period in foster care in late 2014, Sara who had still not yet turned two, returned home with "U". However, "Z" never went back to the family, instead remaining in care.

I'm guessing "U" is the child born in 2010.
Please do correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[PoirotPink]

I think the best thing for the children would be to reside with their grandfather with some oversight for their continued welfare from the authorities in the UK. The MP for Woking has stated that social services have voiced a "commitment to him" regarding housing the children together, but that sounds like a completely empty promise that is going to be impossible to keep.

Firstly the MP has only been an MP of that constituency for a few months and is likely to be voted out at the next election. The next MP will not have same interest in the case because the news cycle will have moved on by then. And what happens when the eldest boy is no longer entitled to state support?

The care system in Britain is already broken. Just a quick google and selection of articles... the tip of the iceberg.

'Locked up far from my family': The teens in care detained by law

Young people who were detained under Deprivation of Liberty orders speak about their experiences.

www.bbc.co.uk

Unlawful care homes ‘profiteering’ from at-risk children

Placing children with complex needs in care threatens to bankrupt some councils, the Family Court is told.

www.bbc.co.uk

‘Failure at every level’ led to children’s homes abuse, report says

An expert panel says inadequate leadership at three children's homes led to "horrific abuse".

www.bbc.co.uk

Fears grow over children at risk placed in illegal care homes

Rising number of vulnerable youngsters in England are being forced into unsuitable accommodation including Airbnbs, bedsits and caravans

www.theguardian.com

Revealed: hundreds of vulnerable children sent to illegal and unregulated care homes in England

Observer investigation finds that private companies made £105m despite not being registered with Ofsted

www.theguardian.com

 

[UK Girl]

Bear with me, as I haven't been following this closely. But are you sure that the child was Olga's?
Assuming that the child that was not returned to her was "Z".

So "Z" was born c2007, two years before Sharif married Olga. I don't know when they first met, but could Z be a child from an earlier relationship?

I'm guessing "U" is the child born in 2010.
Please do correct me if I'm wron

The child that was not returned was Z . Considering that that child was older it does appear that they were not Urfans child. Yes N would be "U"

 

[PoirotPink]

Bear with me, as I haven't been following this closely. But are you sure that the child was Olga's?
Assuming that the child that was not returned to her was "Z".

So "Z" was born c2007, two years before Sharif married Olga. I don't know when they first met, but could Z be a child from an earlier relationship?

I'm guessing "U" is the child born in 2010.
Please do correct me if I'm wrong.

The child is likely to be Olga's because Urfan removed two children from care when he got together with Batool. If the child was his, he would surely have taken custody of that child too.

 

[Cherwell]

So you think that Olga already had a child before she met Sharif?

 

[UK Girl]

So you think that Olga already had a child before she met Sharif?

Yes

 

[Cherwell]

I'm just wary of accepting everything the children may have said, since it seems that Sharif coached or threatened them into blaming the women.
Plus I remember reading somewhere that Sharif had 7 children?

 

[UK Girl]

I'm just wary of accepting everything the children may have said, since it seems that Sharif coached or threatened them into blaming the women.
Plus I remember reading somewhere that Sharif had 7 children?

tbh it isnt only about what the children said when Z I believe it was was found by himself several times away from home and they would not take them away permanently for no cause. The other thing is Olgas father said that Urfan gave her no reason to make Olga believe the kids would be at risk which is odd considering. Yes Urfan may have had other kids but they were likely with the mothers.

I can't find the BBC article now but here is some explaining about the situation Concerns raised about Sara Sharif's care 'within week of her birth'

 

[seasideForest]

When Urfan unexpectedly arrived at our family home in Jhelum to inform me that Sara is no more, I could hardly believe it,’ he said. “‘I had anticipated her arrival with them, got shocking news about her. I was broken with grief, crying out and shouting; it was a heart-wrenching experience for me…

I see no reason to believe the grandfather any more than I believe Urfan.
JMO

 

[FlamingLily]

I'm just wary of accepting everything the children may have said, since it seems that Sharif coached or threatened them into blaming the women.
Plus I remember reading somewhere that Sharif had 7 children?

Whilst I do imagine Sharif manipulating the narrative of the kids in front of social workers, I also completely believe Sarah was uncoached in siting her biological mom's abuse. Official reports of drug use, insanity/mental illness (supported by her family members), bite marks and toddler abandonment were on Olga's watch while Sharif away. And while I have huge soft spot for Olga and the rotten luck she had meeting revolting Urfan, it takes a certain set of circumstances for a woman to stay with an abusive man long enough to bear more than one of his children. We know she fled to a shelter with Urfan's kids but we also know they kissed and made up after that. Many women keep fleeing at that point. The whole situation is devastating. That any child is bitten and burned by even ONE carer in their life is shocking. That child placed among a second set of adults who burn, bite and beat have to be the worst chances imaginable. MOT

 

[Moll]

Cases of interest at the Old Bailey on Tuesday

Court 6 AT 10AM Sentence of Urfan Sharif, 42, and Beinash Batool, 30, the father and stepmother of tragic murdered schoolgirl Sara Sharif, 10. Her uncle, Faisal Malik, 28, was convicted of causing or allowing the death of a child. Sara’s body was found with dozens of injuries, and she had been hooded, burned and beaten during more than two years of abuse. The hearing is expected to be streamed on YouTube.

What’s on at the Old Bailey on December 17

Cases of interest at the Old Bailey on Tuesday Court 2 at 12 noon plea and trial preparation in the case of Shanoor Ahmed and four others accused of murder. Joshua McLean, 31, was fatally shot in …

old-bailey.com

 

[dunkley]

"I think the best thing for the children would be to reside with their grandfather with some oversight for their continued welfare from the authorities in the UK."

With respect - Social Services cannot adequately 'oversee' children in the UK. There is absolutely no possibility they could monitor children in Pakistan

 

[Skigh]

The Mail have live updates.

 

[Noseyjosie]

"I think the best thing for the children would be to reside with their grandfather with some oversight for their continued welfare from the authorities in the UK."

With respect - Social Services cannot adequately 'oversee' children in the UK. There is absolutely no possibility they could monitor children in Pakistan

This ^^^^^
Only my opinion, obviously, but I think the children should be removed from Grandfather and placed somewhere neutral. They've been living in an environment where violence and abuse was normalised....then with family members who likely have their own agenda. These kids need therapy, they need help to realise the behaviour they're used to isn't the norm.
Like poor Sara, they may LOOK ok, but there's going to be an horrendous amount of trauma underneath the surface, and that needs addressing by people who don't have a hand in the game

 

[Tortoise]

Link to live coverage from Sky News, scheduled to start at 11.45am

 

[Alyce]

The Telegraph have a live blog. So far they are just recapping the trial details.



Teachers had twice noticed marks on her face and referred her to social services last March, but the case was dropped within days and the following month Sara was taken out of school.

The finding prompted Will Forster, who became the MP for Woking in July, to call for the review into Sara’s death to look at every aspect of her care.

Mr Forster said an inquest into Sara’s death should examine if concerns over cultural sensitivities meant teachers were afraid to question why she began wearing a hijab after being seen with bruises.

Sara Sharif trial latest: Father and step-mother to be sentenced for 10-year-old’s murder

The father and step-mother of Sara Sharif will appear in court today to be sentenced for the murder of the ten-year-old.

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Moll]

BBC also reporting live:

Sara Sharif's father and stepmother jailed for life for her murder

Urfan Sharif must spend a minimum of 40 years in prison and Beinash Batool must serve 33 years for the 10-year-old's murder.

www.bbc.co.uk