IMO even if she was a victim of DV it is irrelevant. She knows the difference between right and wrong. She did nothing to help her and whether she struck the final blow or not she is still an accessory to her death and helped to make her life hell.
GUILTY UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #4
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Controlling where they live by proclaiming his father is a gentle man . Trying to ensure olga doesn't gain NS in her life again . If urfan stated his behaviour was learnt and it was a pattern repeated there is less chance of kids remaining in grandfather's care in Pakistan. Abusers continue to try inflict their pain from afar even after the victim is out of there reach
I'm not disputing that you are absolutely correct. I am only adding my thoughts on how the defendants may have formed the personality and behaviour they did
‘Inhuman’ violence against Sara Sharif ‘normalised’ by defendants, jurors told
Taxi driver Urfan Sharif, 42, his wife Beinash Batool, 30, and brother Faisal Malik, 29, are accused of being party to years of abuse.www.standard.co.uk
From link above
"You are a coward, aren’t you,
because it’s a coward who bullies and beats a child
to make himself feel in control
and it’s a coward
who sits there and tries to blame other people for it
William Emlyn Jones KC"
Prosecutor
Exactly!
Precisely what I think about U.
Brave only when confronting women and children.
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When Malik came to the UK to study at Portsmouth University, Mr Ivers said Sharif had offered to put him up, because of a sense of family duty. Initially this was in a small two-bedroom flat, then in their larger house in Hammond Road.
Mr Ivers asked if Batool was resentful about Malik staying with them, because of messages to her sister. Sharif stated that “she was like a mother to him” and that it was a joint decision for him to
stay.
Sharif told the court that Malik kept a distance from Batool, often staying out of the house. Mr Ivers said that Malik had a 91 per cent attendance record at Portsmouth University and took on lots of shifts at McDonalds.
The barrister then asked Sharif about the injuries he caused to Sara. Sharif stated that he hit Sara with a cricket bat once and never did this in front of Malik.
Mr Ivers recounted medical evidence that Sara died of ischemia (an inadequate blood supply to an organ or part of the body, especially the heart muscles) and asked Sharif if he had caused a seizure that led to this.
If Mr Ivers says Malik had a 91% attendance record at Portsmouth and did a lot of shifts at Macdonalds, presumably they've checked, so that helps his case.
When Malik came to the UK to study at Portsmouth University, Mr Ivers said Sharif had offered to put him up, because of a sense of family duty. Initially this was in a small two-bedroom flat, then in their larger house in Hammond Road.
Mr Ivers asked if Batool was resentful about Malik staying with them, because of messages to her sister. Sharif stated that “she was like a mother to him” and that it was a joint decision for him to
stay.
Sharif told the court that Malik kept a distance from Batool, often staying out of the house. Mr Ivers said that Malik had a 91 per cent attendance record at Portsmouth University and took on lots of shifts at McDonalds.
The barrister then asked Sharif about the injuries he caused to Sara. Sharif stated that he hit Sara with a cricket bat once and never did this in front of Malik.
Mr Ivers recounted medical evidence that Sara died of ischemia (an inadequate blood supply to an organ or part of the body, especially the heart muscles) and asked Sharif if he had caused a seizure that led to this.
He still fled a crime scene and failed to get help for a dying child which urfan during his lies states he witnessed as he called upon him to ring an ambulance ,bienash would not allow this and malik broke down sobbing . Its in thread 3
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Yes, exactly.
@Skigh Urfan would be retaining indirect control over Sara's brother and their extended maternal family, especially Olga. How's Olga meant to up and move to Pakistan in order to see N.S.? Or go on holiday a few times a year for same?
I don't know if Olga is capable of looking after N.S. atm or if she might be capable with help? Who knows - maybe she'd go back to England if she got support? I don't mean just financial. I think it's very very hard on her that the family who abused and then killed her daughter has total control over her son. Yes, I know life isn't fair.
I thought in custody disputes that the ability of both parents for easy-ish visitation is taken into account, so long as the parent isn't deemed dangerous? So maybe after this court case something will be done to arrange better access for Olga? And U. is trying his best to scupper that? MOO
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I am not sure what course Malik could have been doing. Most schools and colleges have summer holidays in July/August . Was his course on line or did he actually travel to Portsmouth.
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But I can answer as I sent links from Poland from the beginning.
And they are here in these threads.
YES. SHE DOES.
As the whole Polish family.
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I have to say I completely agree with Dotta . Olgas fitness as a parent should not be up for judgement.
I know all of us posters are only giving opinions and insights from articles in msm and mean nothing personal or wish more hurt
But while we sit in our cosy homes on our comfy sofas . There is a human being whose heart is broken olga is not on trial nor are we in a position to judge her parenting skills based on msms articles and the claims of a manipulative man .
Let us hope olga and her son get the outcome that is in the best interest of the child .
I know all of us posters are only giving opinions and insights from articles in msm and mean nothing personal or wish more hurt
But while we sit in our cosy homes on our comfy sofas . There is a human being whose heart is broken olga is not on trial nor are we in a position to judge her parenting skills based on msms articles and the claims of a manipulative man .
Let us hope olga and her son get the outcome that is in the best interest of the child .
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I mostly read here: Guildford Dragon NEWS and yes I remember reading of specific abuse by Olga that Sara and possibly N. told somebody, but I can't find the exact spot in the report now.
These poor remaining children are possibly not safe anywhere with their families on either side? I know that some people have expressed hope that the Pakistani equivalent of social services or Pakistani courts will have such a stringent eye on U.'s remaining children that nothing will be done to them by their paternal grandfather and family. One can only hope. Probably bit of a culture shock for the older ones though, especially N.
I repeat that I do not know what is best for these children going forwards, since we can't turn the clock back to Urfan and Beinash deciding to stay in the UK and phone an ambulance and then tell the truth instead of running 'for fear their children would be taken by social services'.
MOO
Yes, of course! I remember all that.
I was just commenting on the account in the Dragon because we have previously wondered if he was really away from home a lot and really attended university. it doesn't exonerate him, of course not, but it might reduce his culpability a little if that's true.
I'm merely noting, after the discussion we had earlier, that it's now been stated more definitely by FM's KC that he did. Even so as Skigh has observed we don't know exactly what 'attendance' means and the summer would normally be vacation time.
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Sara Sharif's dad tells jury he was worst parent on the planet
Urfan Sharif described his parenting as "very bad" and accepted he was unkind and cruel in court.
www.bbc.co.uk
The father of Sara Sharif has told a jury he was the "worst parent on the planet
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MOD NOTE: OLGA is not on trial. Discussing what happened before her daughter was murdered and what will happen to her son after this trial is off topic (and future custody is none of our business) - and the posts bashing her are not victim friendly. If you need a reminder about Websleuths' victim friendly policies, that's available at the Etiquette & Information link in my signature.
Stop the bickering, move on and get back to discussing the trial.
Stop the bickering, move on and get back to discussing the trial.
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I was interested to see how Pakistani news sites were reporting this so I googled some. None of the four I found were reporting on it at all from what i could see. I'm surprised. Maybe there are some other ones that didn't come up that are reporting it??
This is the history of why Sara was in Foster care and awarded to her father . Interesting enough it was urfan that recorded the video of Sara's allegations that had her placed in his full custody . It was he who brought the video before the courts You can privately make up your own mind . But I suspect a large element of coercion and possible dictation of what Sara had to say
Sara Sharif: Jury shown video of father slapping girl
The home video was filmed less than 13 months before Sara was found dead with multiple injuries.
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Sara Sharif's father attacked women and burned children
Urfan Sharif, 42, was accused of being a 'lying, manipulative and controlling man' who preyed on vulnerable women, controlling their finances and attempting a sham marriage.
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There was a search on that a while back, I can't remember which thread now. Some poster mentioned it with a few examples. Didn't seem to be much reporting though.
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He continues to deny her murder, telling the court: “She died because of me. I didn’t want to kill her.”
Sara Sharif’s father denies stripping and jetwashing body before fleeing to Pakistan
Urfan Sharif, his wife and brother are accused of being “all in this together” by discarding her clothes and fleeing to Pakistan
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There's another trial in the news where a step dad was forcing a toddler to say her bio dad was beating her by punishing her with cold showers. This was because they were trying to get housed by saying they were fleeing domestic violence. It was actually the step dad beating her.This is the history of why Sara was in Foster care and awarded to her father . Interesting enough it was urfan that recorded the video of Sara's allegations that had her placed in his full custody . It was he who brought the video before the courts You can privately make up your own mind . But I suspect a large element of coercion and possible dictation of what Sara had to say
Sara Sharif: Jury shown video of father slapping girl
The home video was filmed less than 13 months before Sara was found dead with multiple injuries.
Sara Sharif's father attacked women and burned children
Urfan Sharif, 42, was accused of being a 'lying, manipulative and controlling man' who preyed on vulnerable women, controlling their finances and attempting a sham marriage.www.dailymail.co.uk
*The court was shown a video in which Jeff asked the toddler if her biological father beat her, to which Isabella replied: "Yes."*
*Gleason-Mitchell told the court that Jeff had forced her to give those answers by punishing her with cold showers.*
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