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GUILTY UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #4
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Urfan Sharif's barrister is trying to make out that only the most serious blow killed Sara and Sharif eventually claimed he didn't deliver it, but the prosecution case that there was a cumulative effect of her many injuries seems convincing and would include both US and BB.
I've been looking at the CPS guidelines on murder, manslaughter and causing or allowing the death of a child etc, and am posting the link here (though I expect it's been posted before).
It's complicated but seems to cover the case of Faisal Malik under 'Causing or allowing...'
(Section 5 ("the section 5 offence") of the Domestic Violence, Crime and Victims Act 2004)
'The section 5 offence is to be charged, in particular, where:
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I've been looking at the CPS guidelines on murder, manslaughter and causing or allowing the death of a child etc, and am posting the link here (though I expect it's been posted before).
It's complicated but seems to cover the case of Faisal Malik under 'Causing or allowing...'
(Section 5 ("the section 5 offence") of the Domestic Violence, Crime and Victims Act 2004)
'The section 5 offence is to be charged, in particular, where:
- A suspect's culpability lies not in having caused the death – the evidence suggests that plainly another suspect killed the victim – but in the fact that they allowed the death to occur; or
- There is more than one suspect in the household who killed the victim but it cannot be said which.'
MOO
And rent is assessed on income so by not declaring him as living there the rent would only be assessed on urfans earnings . These lot were up to a lot more than beating the living daylights out of Sara .
Does the college that malik attended have student accommodation.
I wonder is that one of the reasons for claiming malik was never there .if one or all three got off are they trying to evade council arrears I know it sound petty in the grand scheme of things but these 3 are all about self preservation and victimhood
Based on that I suspect u and b murder and malik I don't know . Manslaughter or allowing death of a childUrfan Sharif's barrister is trying to make out that only the most serious blow killed Sara and Sharif eventually claimed he didn't deliver it, but the prosecution case that there was a cumulative effect of her many injuries seems convincing and would include both US and BB.
I've been looking at the CPS guidelines on murder, manslaughter and causing or allowing the death of a child etc, and am posting the link here (though I expect it's been posted before).
It's complicated but seems to cover the case of Faisal Malik under 'Causing or allowing...'
(Section 5 ("the section 5 offence") of the Domestic Violence, Crime and Victims Act 2004)
'The section 5 offence is to be charged, in particular, where:
It seems to me there's so much evidence against US and BB intending to cause serious harm that they would both be guilty of murder, but FM is covered by this - which also carries a life sentence.
- A suspect's culpability lies not in having caused the death – the evidence suggests that plainly another suspect killed the victim – but in the fact that they allowed the death to occur; or
- There is more than one suspect in the household who killed the victim but it cannot be said which.'
MOO
While we are on tenderhooks . Imagine how olga is feeling. I hope she regains full custody of her son NS . She deserves that justice too . It was urfans lies that prohibited her raising her two children . Be at least a small comfort and a focus while she grieves
I think it be Monday or Tuesday before verdict is reached . One thing I did notice about this case is it didn't really feature as headline news in comparison to other cases whereby you would see news about it on first headline everyday and multiple articles rehashing the same information. (Looking at you daily mail )
Umm no rent is not assessed by income unless you are on benefits. I am confused why you think Malik being there would cause council tax arrears as him being there would not affect his council tax unless again they were on benefit. About rent say you have a whole street of identical three bedroom houses - the base rent will be the same for all the houses. If they are on universal credit they will pay some but otherwise people pay the same rent. The main issue would be if they were overhoused because of him and they likely were.
I'm an housing officer for social housing. You are only allowed the adults living at the property that are listed on the tenancy agreement (this should include children over 18), if they moved someone else in and asked for them to go on the agreement it would be denied if it was to cause and overcrowding situation.
Anyone going against these rules break the tenancy agreement. 1st official warnings are given to rectify this and should they continue to break the agreement then ultimately it will lead to eviction.
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That’s actually not the case with our Council. I have a very dear friend who is a council tenant she has 1 lodger, she informed the council and they told her as she paid full rent then it was none of their business who stayed there. They didn’t need to know.
For me the over housing would be a issue too. Nine in a three bedroom would be a lot.
Yeah same here.
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Council’s differ from County to County. For example, some Councils will not tolerate you leaving your wheelie bins on a public path. They also fine you for it. Our council will not do anything even if the bins are blocking a path.
It is obvious to me that Dear Uncle was living in this Council house illegally.
Why was he hiding?
They were given this social housing because of the children IMO.
6 children!
Not for the extended family to live for years for free there.
Poor Sara was spending much time in the shed it seems.
While uncle (illegal tenant) was relaxing in the house.
It is obvious.
JMO
Must have different contracts and policies and procedures.
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Yes, councils tend to vary I believe. For instance our council would say, or at least they use to say, if you have a three bedroom house with two down stairs rooms (one being a kitchen and dining area) then one of the down stairs rooms could double as a bedroom if need be, even if it’s a sofa bed on the evenings, so they would say in effect you would have 4 rooms people could sleep in if needed. Yes it’s overcrowded but with lack of social housing they allow it. This does however depend on the size of the house and the rooms within.
Sorry I thought uk was same as council in Ireland .rent is assessed on income coming into house and if you dont declare all income you will have to pay arrears and be in trouble too . And social welfare benefits will be cut or stopped altogether and you will owe money to them too . Everybody's rent is different here unless on same benefits. It is assessed on 12 percent of total income coming into house .
I would have assumed that's why malik wasn't declared as living there .
I can't see how they were given a bigger house based on him being included in household if they hid the fact he lived there . So I had thought it boiled down to money
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Yes this is same here you must ask for permission, a background check is done and if your allowed move that person into your home their income is assessed and rent issued for them .if a child reaches an age that they can work .their income is assessed too . Often people with all their children of working age will buy their council house as the total of the assessed income going out for rent is equal to mortgage repayment to council
that is all crazy tbh
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