UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #2

[Pinkizzy]

Are you going to write a book about it?

 

[TimFisher1965]

If this is true then we literally don’t even know where to begin and if DV didn’t know this then that raises questions about the rest of his detective work.

Why did LE say it was parked there, it confuses the general public even more ?


I understand police hold stuff back but this would be farcical if for 35 years where she left from has been wrong

I do not know if DV spoke to this person or not but his detective work was outstanding he found tons of stuff none of us knew about, I have nothing but respect for his work

 

[asyousay]

Virtually everything I checked was like this, sound like the DV experience? I found exactly the same when i checked stuff 90% of the narrative is WRONG

How can it be so wrong?


Was LE that incompetent with everything relating to this case?

 

[TimFisher1965]

Are you going to write a book about it?

No, I just want to help the researcher put the pieces together there is still a chance to resolve this. All I would say is this, there are MANY witnesses still around some are happy to talk some are not. I found out lots of new info by doing this. AS book is good overview of the case, DV gets much closer to the truth to unpick the rest we need to talk to the people who know things. People do not realise what they know is vital because they believe the narrative.

If you read AS book and DV book and talk to the witnesses who were in the office you can put it together as to what "probably" happened. The bit we do not know is what happened if and when she got to the POW.

 

[asyousay]

Ok all I am going to say is this.

I am working with a researcher and I have reached out to a lot of witnesses. I do know a lot more than has been posted here but having spent months on it and getting a lot of responses I do not feel able to share these yet for several reasons.

One, I am working with someone and only they know everything i do and they have my complete confidence and they only.

Two, many of the witnesses are around and it is possible to speak to them and get the info I did if you know where to look. With respect I spent about 9 months getting that info through hard work and late night research and emails etc it was VERY hard work and it also cost me money.

Three, (deep breath folks) I have read AS book cover to cover many times, he got much of his info from witnesses who seemed to have made presumptions based on what they thought had "probably" happened. He also interviewed the police and saw many files. All three of these sources were seriously flawed meaning his book is an excellent overview of the true events BUT it has MANY errors.

It does not state the stock check at the pub
It does not state that the landlord was temporary or seem to know the permanent landlords even existed
It states facts about the morning of the 28th that were wrong
He does not mention the argument between Hindle and Suzy
He did not know that that Hindle and Flowers were in a relationship
He states that the possessions were lost or stolen on Friday night
etc etc

I think AS is an EXCELLENT writer but he wrote his book with flawed info which is no reflection on his writing it is overall a very good overview of the case but we need to do what DV did and check everything for ourselves.

DV found out MUCH more important info and debunked much rubbish but the narrative has bedded in and needs a serious unpick.

Only the researcher i am working with is going to get the things I know.

So will this get released at some point and will it be handed over to LE?


I am intrigued by the end goal for all this work

 

[Cluesleuth]

Virtually everything I checked was like this, sound like the DV experience? I found exactly the same when i checked stuff 90% of the narrative is WRONG

Can I ask people are sceptical of witness accounts given 30+ years later. What are your thoughts on this in regard to the people you have spoken too.

also did you make any attempt to contact SJL's friends who were part of the 'Putney Set' and if you did who declined to speak with you

TIA

 

[asyousay]

No, I just want to help the researcher put the pieces together there is still a chance to resolve this. All I would say is this, there are MANY witnesses still around some are happy to talk some are not. I found out lots of new info by doing this. AS book is good overview of the case, DV gets much closer to the truth to unpick the rest we need to talk to the people who know things. People do not realise what they know is vital because they believe the narrative.

If you read AS book and DV book and talk to the witnesses who were in the office you can put it together as to what "probably" happened. The bit we do not know is what happened if and when she got to the POW.

So does the office hold the clue to what happened that day?


Also why did the police release the wrong location for where the car was parked?

 

[TimFisher1965]

Can I ask people are sceptical of witness accounts given 30+ years later. What are your thoughts on this in regard to the people you have spoken too.

also did you make any attempt to contact SJL's friends who were part of the 'Putney Set' and if you did who declined to speak with you

TIA

No I think this person is on the level, I haven't reached out to Putney set yet as the office is more important I think

 

[TimFisher1965]

So does the office hold the clue to what happened that day?


Also why did the police release the wrong location for where the car was parked?

Office yes largely, location do not know I think MANY things were erroneously reported early on and they stuck. The police got the wrong line of enquiry from day one and never looked back

 

[asyousay]

Office yes largely, location do not know I think MANY things were erroneously reported early on and they stuck. The police got the wrong line of enquiry from day one and never looked back

If this is true this makes me so sad for the family and Suzy that she was let down so badly by the people meant to help.


Sorry for the questions


So if LE got confused let’s say why did nobody stand up and say “ hold on this is wrong”?


Like a example if I worked in a office and a college vanished and I saw on the news and let’s be honest you couldn’t miss it that information was wrong why did nobody report that the information being given out was factual wrong?


Do you think BW saw her that day in a car with a man and she just got times confused?

 

[Terryb808]

If this is true this makes me so sad for the family and Suzy that she was let down so badly by the people meant to help.


Sorry for the questions


So if LE got confused let’s say why did nobody stand up and say “ hold on this is wrong”?


Like a example if I worked in a office and a college vanished and I saw on the news and let’s be honest you couldn’t miss it that information was wrong why did nobody report that the information being given out was factual wrong?


Do you think BW saw her that day in a car with a man and she just got times confused?

Ditto you comment about the family, for me they are the most important people involved in this. 36 years of waiting for answers and closure and they’ve been let down like this.
Very frustrating.

 

[Terryb808]

Okay, the car was not parked in Whittingstall Road, unless SJL was carjacked how is the location important?
I get that the fact the Met got this wrong is important and pretty damaging, but is there more to this?

 

[asyousay]

Okay, the car was not parked in Whittingstall Road, unless SJL was carjacked how is the location important?
I get that the fact the Met got this wrong is important and pretty damaging, but is there more to this?

If somebody lied about where it was parked and nobody in the office came forward to LE then surely that’s suss?

I’m more confused than ever now.

 

[Pinkizzy]

Someone said that SL turned right out of Sturgis instead of left.

 

[asyousay]

Someone said that SL turned right out of Sturgis instead of left.

That’s a good point - somebody saw the car leave if this witness is correct.

 

[Pinkizzy]

Whittingstall Rd is to the left of Sturgis

 

[Cluesleuth]

If somebody lied about where it was parked and nobody in the office came forward to LE then surely that’s suss?

I’m more confused than ever now.

It could be as simple as she was just parked in someones private car parking area and they just didnt want to disclose it at the time as people or press may have made it into something it wasnt.

 

[Cluesleuth]

No I think this person is on the level, I haven't reached out to Putney set yet as the office is more important I think

Did you say youve been reasearching this for 9 months?

 

[asyousay]

Whittingstall Rd is to the left of Sturgis

Chesilton or she goes left and crosses into Mimosa street?


The question is why did the person who parked the car lie about where they parked it. That’s the big question

 

[asyousay]

It could be as simple as she was just parked in someones private car parking area and they just didnt want to disclose it at the time as people or press may have made it into something it wasnt.

You would think that humanity would take over though as a women is likely murdered why would they lie and risk getting in trouble with LE?

This is a big lie that sets the case off on a very bad foot from the get go if correct. It’s a complete waste of police resources and if this can be proven then it’s actually quite sinister.


Even if the person isn’t involved imagine the man hours put into whittinstall road and the searches and so on that lead from there.


MOO