UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #2

[asyousay]

I asked DW before this programme aired about considering other options. He was well aware of DV’s narrative.
He’s a first rate criminologist, however, he seems to have influenced or pressured by the police & tv to follow the accepted line.
He usually has his own take on things, and in previous cases has delved very deeply, not accepting the obvious.
The programme was very disappointing IMO.

Or maybe it’s as simple as JC is guilty . There doesn’t have to be a conspiracy here.

I am not sure that he is but I definitely don’t rule it out.

 

[Terryb808]

Or maybe it’s as simple as JC is guilty . There doesn’t have to be a conspiracy here.

I am not sure that he is but I definitely don’t rule it out.

It’s entirely possible JC is guilty, he’s dumb enough to carjack in broad daylight and has got away with it before.
Clearly prison didn’t stop him, and if you believe the police he committed murder while awaiting final release (Sandra Court).
If you look at this logically we have two possibilities open to solve SJL’s disappearance.
1. The police are right and JC did it.
2. CV is responsible and SJL is behind the PoW on the railway embankment.
All of the other many possibilities after 36 years will be virtually impossible to prove.

 

[asyousay]

It’s entirely possible JC is guilty, he’s dumb enough to carjack in broad daylight and has got away with it before.
Clearly prison didn’t stop him, and if you believe the police he committed murder while awaiting final release (Sandra Court).
If you look at this logically we have two possibilities open to solve SJL’s disappearance.
1. The police are right and JC did it.
2. CV is responsible and SJL is behind the PoW on the railway embankment.
All of the other many possibilities after 36 years will be virtually impossible to prove.

Do you know how throughly they searched Whittingstall Rd for anything unusual?


A quiet residential road it’s still a massive stretch and risky for the perp but stranger things have happened.

 

[Crusader21]

Something that afaik, has never been discussed in the 3 separate discussion threads here, is a line of enquiry that the police were once working on - that two people were resonsible for SLs disappearance!

Any one got any insights in to this line of thinking? The ids of the individuals being investigated, etc?

 

[asyousay]

Something that afaik, has never been discussed in the 3 separate discussion threads here, is a line of enquiry that the police were once working on - that two people were resonsible for SLs disappearance!

Any one got any insights in to this line of thinking? The ids of the individuals being investigated, etc?

The couple who were her friends that nobody will name because of the treat of legal action?

DV wouldn’t talk about them on the pod cast when somebody mentioned them .

 

[Terryb808]

Something that afaik, has never been discussed in the 3 separate discussion threads here, is a line of enquiry that the police were once working on - that two people were resonsible for SLs disappearance!

Any one got any insights in to this line of thinking? The ids of the individuals being investigated, etc?

I don’t know the identities of the police suspects, we’re getting into complex conspiracy theories.
For two people to get involved it can’t be a simple jilted ex-boyfriend. SJL would have needed to be a risk if she was not kept quiet.
While possible we don’t have anything that she might have been involved in that warranted her being silenced.
Could this relate to the two men in the large dark coloured saloon the old lady saw I’m SR?

 

[Crusader21]

The couple who were her friends that nobody will name because of the treat of legal action?

DV wouldn’t talk about them on the pod cast when somebody mentioned them .

No, I don't think the police had those two in mind ....

 

[Terryb808]

Something that afaik, has never been discussed in the 3 separate discussion threads here, is a line of enquiry that the police were once working on - that two people were resonsible for SLs disappearance!

Any one got any insights in to this line of thinking? The ids of the individuals being investigated, etc?

I don’t know the identities of the police suspects, we’re getting into complex conspiracy theories.
For two people to get involved it can’t be a simple jilted ex-boyfriend. SJL would have needed to be a risk if she was not kept quiet.
While possible we don’t have anything that she might have been involved in that warranted her being silenced.
Could this relate to the two men in the large dark coloured saloon the old lady saw I’m SR?

 

[Terryb808]

Something that afaik, has never been discussed in the 3 separate discussion threads here, is a line of enquiry that the police were once working on - that two people were resonsible for SLs disappearance!

Any one got any insights in to this line of thinking? The ids of the individuals being investigated, etc?

I don’t know the identities of the police suspects, we’re getting into complex conspiracy theories.
For two people to get involved it can’t be a simple jilted ex-boyfriend. SJL would have needed to be a risk if she was not kept quiet.
While possible we don’t have anything that she might have been involved in that warranted her being silenced.
Could this relate to the two men in the large dark coloured saloon the old lady saw in SR?

 

[Crusader21]

The two person theory afaik was mentioned by the police in one or two of the tv docs.

Reading between the lines, I thought it was relating to JC and someone else. Perhaps the owner of the red car that JC had access to.

Be interesting to know if anything thinks or knows any thing more on this theory ....

 

[shadwell]

I don’t know the identities of the police suspects, we’re getting into complex conspiracy theories.
For two people to get involved it can’t be a simple jilted ex-boyfriend. SJL would have needed to be a risk if she was not kept quiet.
While possible we don’t have anything that she might have been involved in that warranted her being silenced.
Could this relate to the two men in the large dark coloured saloon the old lady saw I’m SR?

Could be. IIRC witness RT claimed to see three cars double parked in Shorrolds between 12.30pm and 1pm - a navy blue 1970s BMW 518/2000 series saloon and two white Ford Fiestas. The BMW was parked close to number 37, with the second Fiesta some way back. RT reports only a possible single occupant in this Fiesta. (AS P77)

At 1.10pm witness EH reports seeing two men sitting in a dark coloured saloon staring straight ahead. (AS P76)

 

[Terryb808]

Could be. IIRC witness RT claimed to see three cars double parked in Shorrolds between 12.30pm and 1pm - a navy blue 1970s BMW 518/2000 series saloon and two white Ford Fiestas. The BMW was parked close to number 37, with the second Fiesta some way back. RT reports only a possible single occupant in this Fiesta. (AS P77)

At 1.10pm witness EH reports seeing two men sitting in a dark coloured saloon staring straight ahead. (AS P76)

It’s the EH one that I thought they might be referring to, they must have looked odd for her to notice them.

 

[Pinkizzy]

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[shadwell]

It’s the EH one that I thought they might be referring to, they must have looked odd for her to notice them.

Yup. The BMW would fit both witness reports, though RT doesn’t note it as being occupied before 1pm. Similarly, EH makes no mention of either FIesta.

 

[shadwell]

Yup. The BMW would fit both witness reports, though RT doesn’t note it as being occupied before 1pm. Similarly, EH makes no mention of either FIesta.

So you’ve got two, or potentially even three unknowns - either a Fiesta driver (seen by RT) and a BMW driver both seen sitting in the BMW by EH, or a Fiesta driver plus a BMW with a driver and passenger.

 

[asyousay]

Also I wonder if there is anything at all in the last person who Suzy spoke to before she left the office.

It was Not CV it was the wife from all accounts which muddies waters if you believe it was CV. it also puts her in the pub not CV.

MOO

 

[Terryb808]

Also I wonder if there is anything at all in the last person who Suzy spoke to before she left the office.

It was Not CV it was the wife from all accounts which muddies waters if you believe it was CV. it also puts her in the pub not CV.

MOO

Yes that puts a different slant on things and might just account for why she reacted as she did when DV turned up.
As said before it would have been good to see what CV looked like in 1986.

 

[shadwell]

Is the DV book the source for the diary etc being in the cellar? Seems an unlikely place to have kept them.

 

[Terryb808]

I wondered about CV saying he found SJL’s things outside next to the phone box.
Way off but the reason for wanting to know what CV looked like back then, what if her things were never lost, just left behind in the PoW.
Remember CV spent his apprenticeship time in the PoW, only AL said he never went there, we can’t rule out SJL using the PoW.
So it’s possible that CV already knew SJL and as Mrs CV was the last call maybe she is responsible and CV covered it up.
Way off base I know, but as said before, all the clues are here, just need to put them together.

 

[Pinkizzy]

Someone should interview MRs CV and see exactly what happened that day