UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #2

[Terryb808]

Someone should interview MRs CV and see exactly what happened that day

I think DV made enough hints in his book, she’s not going to play ball. Maybe that’s why CV was so accommodating, keep DV away from his ex.

 

[asyousay]

Is the DV book the source for the diary etc being in the cellar? Seems an unlikely place to have kept them.

Not really - you can store it on top of the fuse box - I thought that was a common thing to do in the U.K.?


It’s quick to grab when she comes in and the cellar won’t be far from the bar. It also won’t get in the way when they are busy in the bar.

MOO

 

[asyousay]

I think DV made enough hints in his book, she’s not going to play ball. Maybe that’s why CV was so accommodating, keep DV away from his ex.

Yes but DV has a book to sell so we don’t know how much he embellished to sell the story. If she was lovely and invited him in for Afternoon Tea it doesn’t exactly sell books.

MOO

 

[asyousay]

I wondered about CV saying he found SJL’s things outside next to the phone box.
Way off but the reason for wanting to know what CV looked like back then, what if her things were never lost, just left behind in the PoW.
Remember CV spent his apprenticeship time in the PoW, only AL said he never went there, we can’t rule out SJL using the PoW.
So it’s possible that CV already knew SJL and as Mrs CV was the last call maybe she is responsible and CV covered it up.
Way off base I know, but as said before, all the clues are here, just need to put them together.

That story has changed as well as I went though old posts on here and it was found by the steps at the front of the pub. It wasn’t found by the telephone like it’s not being reported from all accounts now.


If the first story is correct and why wouldn’t it be then somebody put that there after reading it and going though it to be found.


Her boyfriend also said the stuff was lost Friday and not on Sunday which also if true would point to somebody taking the stuff and then dumping the stuff Sunday night for CV to find.

 

[Terryb808]

That story has changed as well as I went though old posts on here and it was found by the steps at the front of the pub. It wasn’t found by the telephone like it’s not being reported from all accounts now.


If the first story is correct and why wouldn’t it be then somebody put that there after reading it and going though it to be found.


Her boyfriend also said the stuff was lost Friday and not on Sunday which also if true would point to somebody taking the stuff and then dumping the stuff Sunday night for CV to find.

If someone took it Friday why bother leaving it in the front of the PoW. Why not just throw it in the trash, in theory they wouldn’t know CV unless he was in the diary.
Could this be why AL said he never went to the PoW, very cutting about it saying there are better places on the river (while correct, it came over in the book as a cutting comment.
Another long shot, if you’re correct was he trying to drop CV in it with his partner?

 

[asyousay]

If someone took it Friday why bother leaving it in the front of the PoW. Why not just throw it in the trash, in theory they wouldn’t know CV unless he was in the diary.
Could this be why AL said he never went to the PoW, very cutting about it saying there are better places on the river (while correct, it came over in the book as a cutting comment.
Another long shot, if you’re correct was he trying to drop CV in it with his partner?

If Suzy knew roughly where she had lost it then wouldn’t it raise questions with her boyfriend (ex) that it had vanished without a trace?

It’s a easy sell that she dropped it out of her bag Friday night and it turns up Sunday at the POW?

Sounds like she went drinking at the POW Friday night and that’s a fact .

Where are facts on her going to POW Sunday night?

Nobody at all has ever confirmed she was at the POW on Sunday unless somebody has a link?

I think that’s just assumed because her diary was found Sunday night. Hell I’m not convinced it’s CV but he could of lifted the diary Friday night and spent all weekend with it reading it.


If CV did find the diary late Sunday night then he definitely didn’t have time to read it. He had a wife waiting for him and he had a stock take Monday ( if I am remembering rightly) and he was busy running a pub.


MOO

 

[shadwell]

Not really - you can store it on top of the fuse box - I thought that was a common thing to do in the U.K.?


It’s quick to grab when she comes in and the cellar won’t be far from the bar. It also won’t get in the way when they are busy in the bar.

MOO

Obvs it is the internet and that but I assume you are being massively sarcastic at this point.

 

[TimFisher1965]

The couple who were her friends that nobody will name because of the treat of legal action?

DV wouldn’t talk about them on the pod cast when somebody mentioned them .

I approached the female and got a reply

 

[TimFisher1965]

Youre correct WestLondoner he would know where to look for and he road a motorcyle so if he intercepted her as she went to her car which JC had parked in Whittingstall car no one would be noticing if a motorcycle was parked nearby or that it was parked there all day to be picked up later.
He was tall bronzed and very handsome we know he would have sported a tan but he was naturally bronze hi father having been an indian captain in the army.

I have spoken to the only person who knows where the car was parked before Suzy allegedly got into it because they parked it, it was not parked in Whittingstall road despite being reported so in books and other places so any line of enquiry from this place needs revising.

 

[shadwell]

I have spoken to the only person who knows where the car was parked before Suzy allegedly got into it because they parked it, it was not parked in Whittingstall road despite being reported so in books and other places so any line of enquiry from this place needs revising.

So where did he leave it?

 

[Pinkizzy]

I approached the female and got a reply

What did the female say?

 

[WestLondoner]

We did actually consider upthread whether Mrs CV might be involved. The standard assumption is that SJL fell victim to some sex attacker, but robbery could be a possibility. One can imagine, I think, a northern couple on eight grand a year and all the porky scratchings they can eat looking enviously at this diary. In it SJL has written down that she's making 30 grand a year and they are thinking, She'll pay to have this back.

It's far fetched but so is somebody dying accidentally in some random pub.

 

[shadwell]

What did the female say?

I'm assuming she confessed.

 

[Cluesleuth]

I have spoken to the only person who knows where the car was parked before Suzy allegedly got into it because they parked it, it was not parked in Whittingstall road despite being reported so in books and other places so any line of enquiry from this place needs revising.

Are you able to tell us where it was parked it would help massively.
They didnt happen to mention that the reported timeline for the day is completely different than reported did they?
Im begining to think that who and when the employees were in the office that day isnt quite as we have been led to believe.
Did SJL leave a lot earlier?
IMO

 

[asyousay]

So where did he leave it?

If this is true then we literally don’t even know where to begin and if DV didn’t know this then that raises questions about the rest of his detective work.

Why did LE say it was parked there, it confuses the general public even more ?


I understand police hold stuff back but this would be farcical if for 35 years where she left from has been wrong

 

[TimFisher1965]

I'm assuming she confessed.

Nope, I had to do quite of sleuthing to get a response. I'm working with a researcher so only they know the response so I cannot and will not say. I will say one thing she did say she knew her and she was a friend but nothing else I can divulge here. Nothing was said that would advance the case in any way and that is all I am going to say about it.

 

[asyousay]

Nope, I had to do quite of sleuthing to get a response. I'm working with a researcher so only they know the response so I cannot and will not say. I will say one thing she did say she knew her and she was a friend but nothing else I can divulge here. Nothing was said that would advance the case in any way and that is all I am going to say about it.

A researcher for this case or completely unrelated?

 

[TimFisher1965]

Are you able to tell us where it was parked it would help massively.
They didnt happen to mention that the reported timeline for the day is completely different than reported did they?
Im begining to think that who and when the employees were in the office that day isnt quite as we have been led to believe.
Did SJL leave a lot earlier?
IMO

Ok all I am going to say is this.

I am working with a researcher and I have reached out to a lot of witnesses. I do know a lot more than has been posted here but having spent months on it and getting a lot of responses I do not feel able to share these yet for several reasons.

One, I am working with someone and only they know everything i do and they have my complete confidence and they only.

Two, many of the witnesses are around and it is possible to speak to them and get the info I did if you know where to look. With respect I spent about 9 months getting that info through hard work and late night research and emails etc it was VERY hard work and it also cost me money.

Three, (deep breath folks) I have read AS book cover to cover many times, he got much of his info from witnesses who seemed to have made presumptions based on what they thought had "probably" happened. He also interviewed the police and saw many files. All three of these sources were seriously flawed meaning his book is an excellent overview of the true events BUT it has MANY errors.

It does not state the stock check at the pub
It does not state that the landlord was temporary or seem to know the permanent landlords even existed
It states facts about the morning of the 28th that were wrong
He does not mention the argument between Hindle and Suzy
He did not know that that Hindle and Flowers were in a relationship
He states that the possessions were lost or stolen on Friday night
etc etc

I think AS is an EXCELLENT writer but he wrote his book with flawed info which is no reflection on his writing it is overall a very good overview of the case but we need to do what DV did and check everything for ourselves.

DV found out MUCH more important info and debunked much rubbish but the narrative has bedded in and needs a serious unpick.

Only the researcher i am working with is going to get the things I know.

 

[TimFisher1965]

A researcher for this case or completely unrelated?

A top drawer professional researcher who I have been sleuthing for

 

[TimFisher1965]

If this is true then we literally don’t even know where to begin and if DV didn’t know this then that raises questions about the rest of his detective work.

Why did LE say it was parked there, it confuses the general public even more ?


I understand police hold stuff back but this would be farcical if for 35 years where she left from has been wrong

Virtually everything I checked was like this, sound like the DV experience? I found exactly the same when i checked stuff 90% of the narrative is WRONG