UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #5

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  • #221
There was a heavy police presence in London that week - royal wedding the previous weekend and the constant threat from the IRA. I guess SLs body lies near the point of abduction, it would be too risky to transport a dead body out of the city with police patrols everywhere.
Agreed, and when I said that everyone may have been looking the wrong place this also includes DV & the PoW pub.
Let’s face facts, if SJL was buried under someone house extension, without compelling evidence you’ll not get to dig it up.
This begs the question, what evidence was there to justify digging up JC’s parents home.
None apart from the Mets obsession that JC did it.
 
  • #222
If you can abduct someone unobtrusively, the police will have no witnesses and will eventually have to resort to a 'usual suspects' list to see who the disappearance fits. If you did it, you're at risk of being caught only if you're actually on that list.

Attacking someone during a house viewing works for getting someone unobtrusively into a place you can harm her, but has two drawbacks. One, you probably leave a trail to where she went, the site will then be visited and traces of you found. A way to deal with this might be to change the viewing location at the last minute. You ring the office at 12.40 to say Actually could we see somewhere else? SJL immediately goes to the somewhere else and hasn't time to update the diary, which still says "37 Shorrolds O/S". The drawback to this is that if she did so, the keys to that different property would have gone missing.

Two, this approach doesn't make the victim disappear. Ideally you need a house or building you control, to which the victim is brought and then leaves in the boot of a car via the built-on garage. She goes in the door and is never seen again dead or alive. I think this is what the Moors Murderers did; they were only caught when they involved a third party in the murders.
 
  • #223
If you can abduct someone unobtrusively, the police will have no witnesses and will eventually have to resort to a 'usual suspects' list to see who the disappearance fits. If you did it, you're at risk of being caught only if you're actually on that list.

Attacking someone during a house viewing works for getting someone unobtrusively into a place you can harm her, but has two drawbacks. One, you probably leave a trail to where she went, the site will then be visited and traces of you found. A way to deal with this might be to change the viewing location at the last minute. You ring the office at 12.40 to say Actually could we see somewhere else? SJL immediately goes to the somewhere else and hasn't time to update the diary, which still says "37 Shorrolds O/S". The drawback to this is that if she did so, the keys to that different property would have gone missing.

Two, this approach doesn't make the victim disappear. Ideally you need a house or building you control, to which the victim is brought and then leaves in the boot of a car via the built-on garage. She goes in the door and is never seen again dead or alive. I think this is what the Moors Murderers did; they were only caught when they involved a third party in the murders.
Agree on all points, if the person she met up with happened to be a builder and working on the property, then SJL would never have left.
It’s possibly she’s buried under the unsuspecting house owners floor or foundations.
In this case there are no links at all for police to follow, so going down the usual suspects route is their only option.
One thing you have to admit about the Met is in this case they’re doggedly determined to pin this on JC.
 
  • #224
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  • #225
I believe the Stevenage Rd sighting of the car around 1pm but I'm doubting BW's sighting around 2pm
 
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No, I don't think so.

In that case, Who is this mystery person?

Wikipedia states that Jeffrey Epstein is known to have travelled to the UK and Europe in the mid to late Eighties and is said to have travelled under a false passport.
 
  • #229
I don't think the bloke whose knee she seemed to be sitting on was ever publicly named, but identifying him can't have been hard. The party was on the Saturday and SJL was being looked for by the Monday so somebody would remember who was at that party, e.g. the birthday girl herself for example. Note also SJL's hair and how blonde she isn't in that photo.

The other interesting figure is the bloke she mentioned to acquaintances, who lived off Park Lane and cooked her impressive meals. According to AS, that guy was never identified. I wonder if the police asked the right people. Park Lane is next to Belgravia and Belgravia is where TS and PSS lived. Was this someone they introduced? Could her comments have been misremembered and she was actually referring to TS?
 
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I don't think the bloke whose knee she seemed to be sitting on was ever publicly named, but identifying him can't have been hard. The party was on the Saturday and SJL was being looked for by the Monday so somebody would remember who was at that party, e.g. the birthday girl herself for example. Note also SJL's hair and how blonde she isn't in that photo.

The other interesting figure is the bloke she mentioned to acquaintances, who lived off Park Lane and cooked her impressive meals. According to AS, that guy was never identified. I wonder if the police asked the right people. Park Lane is next to Belgravia and Belgravia is where TS and PSS lived. Was this someone they introduced? Could her comments have been misremembered and she was actually referring to TS?

I take your point @WestLondoner that you would think that someone at the party would know the identity of the ' mystery man ', but as I understand it, this person has never been publicly identified, nor has the ' 3rd person ' at lunch at the Crocodile Tears that fateful day.

Jeffrey Epstein is a convicted paedophile and no doubt would not have been averse to also treating grown women badly.
According to Wikipedia, he is known to have travelled to this country in the later Eighties and also used a false passport. I would not be so sure he was not the ' mystery man '.
Epstein would have been 33 at the time of Suzy Lamplugh's disappearence.
 
  • #231
I thought the man pictured with SL sitting on his knee on the Saturday night was the new Mayfair-based boyfriend. Mr Hesgotitall?

Also known as the aquantaince who took off to the Bahamas immediately after the disappearnce.

He's never been publically named, and is / was also a pal of SL's named boyfriend AL ....

Police ruled him out ....
 
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I thought the man pictured with SL sitting on his knee on the Saturday night was the new Mayfair-based boyfriend. Mr Hesgotitall?

Also known as the aquantaince who took off to the Bahamas immediately after the disappearnce.

He's never been publically named, and is / was also a pal of SL's named boyfriend AL ....

Police ruled him out ....
Yes that about it, odd that SJL appears to dump AL on Friday, settles with his pal and then disappears on Monday.
Too many coincidences in this case.
 
  • #233
It would be earth-shattering if this guy was found out to be Mr Jeffrey Epstein! .....
 
  • #234
I thought the man pictured with SL sitting on his knee on the Saturday night was the new Mayfair-based boyfriend. Mr Hesgotitall?

Also known as the aquantaince who took off to the Bahamas immediately after the disappearnce.

He's never been publically named, and is / was also a pal of SL's named boyfriend AL ....

Police ruled him out ....

It would be earth-shattering if this guy was found out to be Mr Jeffrey Epstein! .....

Wikipedia states that during the 1980s, Jeffrey Epstein held an Austrian passport which had a genuine photo but a false name.
 
  • #235
I do find myself wondering about AL. He is an interesting figure.

AL told DV he and SJL had never been to the PoW. He is on camera saying he and SJL went to the PoW on Friday 25/7 and had a pleasant evening marred only by the theft of her diary and cheque book. KH / CV meanwhile is adamant the stuff was found (hence by inference lost) on Sunday 27/7.

He said the 'theft' of her stuff, or words to that effect. But it turned up. Arrangements were made for a collection. Why is he calling that a theft?

How did he even know her stuff had gone?

He gave DV some line about why would they ever go to the PoW, when there were nicer places along the river. Well, one reason would be that he has said they did. Another would be that the PoW was spruced up in late 1985 and for a time was quite smart. Yet another would be that the nearest riverside pub was somewhere like the Duke's Head, which is 5x further away from SJL's flat than the PoW is.

SJL had indicated to her circle that she was going to end it with him. He was on holiday from Wednesday to Wednesday and he saw her on Friday. Despite this absence, they did not go back to hers for the obvious purpose either on Friday evening or at any point. In his shoes I'd consider that a pretty cold shoulder - but it makes sense if the 'nice evening' was her ending it. On Sunday she went to the coast without him and came home from the coast without him, which supports this.

He claims he spoke to her on the phone on Sunday because they were going to meet on Tuesday. He's the only source for this. Why would she meet him when she's just (probably) binned him? Why didn't they talk about whatever there was to talk about at the coast?

AS suggests she was four-timing AL. One was DH, another I forget and I think the third was the bloke at the party. Why did he think and say, after she disappeared, that he and SJL had a good relationship?

The bloke whose knee she was sitting on was known to AL. How did AL feel about what went on at the party?

I don't think AL did it. He was too obvious a suspect and was eliminated, not without a lot of effort. But does he know far more than he has said? Not sure.
 
  • #236
Wikipedia states that during the 1980s, Jeffrey Epstein held an Austrian passport which had a genuine photo but a false name.
I'm dubious. Epstein's not known to have killed anyone, and how would he dispose so perfectly of a body in a suburb of a foreign city? It feels a bit like fitting SJL to him because he's a wrong 'un (where have we heard that before in this case?).
 
  • #237
I thought the man pictured with SL sitting on his knee on the Saturday night was the new Mayfair-based boyfriend. Mr Hesgotitall?
If so, it suggests that she didn't meet him at that party. If she had, there'd have been no previous opportunity for the meals at the fancy flat. The implication is that he, instead of AL, went along as her plus one.
 
  • #238
I'm dubious. Epstein's not known to have killed anyone, and how would he dispose so perfectly of a body in a suburb of a foreign city? It feels a bit like fitting SJL to him because he's a wrong 'un (where have we heard that before in this case?).

I wasn't really thinking that it was Epstein himself who killed SJL, but if that was him at the party and no doubt he was probably mixing with other nefarious characters, then perhaps the killers of SJL were linked to him in some way.
 
  • #239
Its wiki so not sure of the accuracy, but it says Cannan's parole hearing was in November.

He became eligible for parole in October 2022 and had a parole hearing the following month, the results of which are not yet known.[5]
 
  • #240
Cannan applies for parole and within months, Nicola Bulley goes missing. I reckon the Met will get him for this one.
 
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