UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #5

[tes1984]

Suzy, Claudia and and Lee are all obvious murders IMO.

I've never heard about potential sightings of Suzy or Claudia. Two extremely noticeable women.

There was a possible sighting of Lee years later. A market trader who looked like him. It was never likely to be Lee though. Lee was apparently a well adjusted boy and had no reason to disappear.

 

[benowens]

Suzy, Claudia and and Lee are all obvious murders IMO.

I've never heard about potential sightings of Suzy or Claudia. Two extremely noticeable women.

There was a possible sighting of Lee years later. A market trader who looked like him. It was never likely to be Lee though. Lee was apparently a well adjusted boy and had no reason to disappear.

I am not disputing that Suzy is dead. I have however seen speculation that Claudia is still alive but Suzy's disappearance is virtually always labelled as a murder.

My point is that all three are obviously dead but only one has nobody speculating about a positive outcome.

 

[tes1984]

Also I would argue that Madeleine McCann is really the only missing person case that everyone in the country knows about. Of course some are more high profile than others, but most cases, even ones that were big at the time like Suzy have been long forgotten about.

Suzy Lamplugh was just as big a case back in the 80s. Even now millions of people are still aware of the missing estate agent from Fulham. John Cannan is still in the national press all the time. Close to death, applying for parole, denied parole, announcing an alibi etc etc...

 

[benowens]

Suzy Lamplugh was just as big a case back in the 80s. Even now millions of people are still aware of the missing estate agent from Fulham. John Cannan is still in the national press all the time. Close to death, applying for parole, denied parole, announcing an alibi etc etc...

I had never heard of her case until a few months ago when I started researching missing people. I have never seen this man's name in the press, and even if he is the reports must always be at the bottom of the page. I think you pay more attention to them because you are a true crime fan. I also definitely think saying it was as big as the Madeleine McCann case is extremely farfetched.

 

[tes1984]

I had never heard of her case until a few months ago when I started researching missing people. I have never seen this man's name in the press, and even if he is the reports must always be at the bottom of the page. I think you pay more attention to them because you are a true crime fan. I also definitely think saying it was as big as the Madeleine McCann case is extremely farfetched.

Well the Lamplugh case has been well reported, whether you've been aware of it or not. To be fair though you're probably right and it's not as well known as MM. Even so, it's not a case where the missing person could disappear into anonymity.

What do you think happened to Suzy?

 

[benowens]

Well the Lamplugh case has been well reported, whether you've been aware of it or not. To be fair though you're probably right and it's not as well known as MM. Even so, it's not a case where the missing person could disappear into anonymity.

What do you think happened to Suzy?

I think it is obvious that Cannan killed her.

 

[tes1984]

I think it is obvious that Cannan killed her.

I think you've just answered your own question from earlier.

 

[benowens]

I think you've just answered your own question from earlier.

As i said, it was already being treated as a definite murder before the Cannan thing started.

 

[tes1984]

After his rape conviction in the early 80s, was Cannan housed in the general prison population, or did he serve his sentence in the segregation units for sex offenders?

 

[benowens]

I also think there *could* be a possibility that an accomplice or somebody known to Cannan killed Suzy rather than Cannan himself. However, I think this is unlikely.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Why is it excepted by virtually everyone that Suzy is dead when other cases where the missing person is just as obviously dead (Claudia Lawrence, Lee Boxell etc) still have speculation about the missing person still being alive?

I think there has been minor speculation that she could have disappeared herself before now but not an idea that anyone's committed to AFAIK. IMO, if she was in dire financial troubles (no evidence), and not too bothered about her family (seems she was fond of them), and everything was coming 'on top', suppose she could have gone full pelt 'canoe-man' and run off with a fresh identity to somewhere else in order to start a new life, maybe with a bloke?

JMO MOO

 

[tes1984]

I also think there *could* be a possibility that an accomplice or somebody known to Cannan killed Suzy rather than Cannan himself. However, I think this is unlikely.

Interesting idea but I can't see Cannan protecting an accomplice for all these years. Wouldn't he have exposed and blamed his accomplice by now?

Cannan was a secretive, lone wolf type offender in his known crimes. Perhaps he met some birds of a feather in prison in the 80s. It does seem unlikey, but he was accused of trying to plan the perfect abduction with his mid 90s cell mate.

 

[benowens]

I think there has been minor speculation that she could have disappeared herself before now but not an idea that anyone's committed to AFAIK. IMO, if she was in dire financial troubles (no evidence), and not too bothered about her family (seems she was fond of them), and everything was coming 'on top', suppose she could have gone full pelt 'canoe-man' and run off with a fresh identity to somewhere else in order to start a new life, maybe with a bloke?

JMO MOO

I don't see her being alive. The purpose of my question was more about why the other two cases are talked about as disappearances rather than dead cert murders.

 

[benowens]

Interesting idea but I can't see Cannan protecting an accomplice for all these years. Wouldn't he have exposed and blamed his accomplice by now?

Cannan was a secretive, lone wolf type offender in his known crimes. Perhaps he met some birds of a feather in prison in the 80s. It does seem unlikey, but he was accused of trying to plan the perfect abduction with his mid 90s cell mate.

I am personally not a fan of "I can't see this person doing that" arguments in true crime. This applies to both victims and suspects.
Even evil people are known to follow "bro code" or whatever and protect their accomplices on occasions. I can personally kinda see it to be honest.

 

[tes1984]

I don't see her being alive. The purpose of my question was more about why the other two cases are talked about as disappearances rather than dead cert murders.

The other cases aren't really talked about as disappearances though. If you have any sources then please post them.

 

[benowens]

The other cases aren't really talked about as disappearances though. If you have any sources then please post them.

I don't have sources. Lee Boxell had an age progressed photo made though, <modsnip - not an approved source>

Suzy's case is discussed in the same tone as if her body had been found.

 

[tes1984]

I don't have sources. Lee Boxell had an age progressed photo made though, <modsnip - not an approved source>

Suzy's case is discussed in the same tone as if her body had been found.

I agree that Suzy's case is discussed in that tone.

Perhaps we should be discussing how someone like John Cannan would be able to keep a body hidden for almost forty years.

 

[benowens]

I agree that Suzy's case is discussed in that tone.

Perhaps we should be discussing how someone like John Cannan would be able to keep a body hidden for almost forty years.

So perhaps it was an accomplice like I speculated. He says he knows who killed Suzy but did not claim responsibility himself.
Of course sickos like him are prone to being compulsive liars, but it does me make wonder.

 

[Terryb808]

Personally I just don’t see how either Suzy Lamplugh or Claudia Lawrence could have managed to evade detection for so long.
The circumstances of their disappearance just leaps out as either abduction & murder, or murder by a person they trusted.
I worked in both London & York (although not when they disappeared) and can’t recall their cases at the time.
I put this down to being young and having lots of other distractions. Point being that it is possible that even with a high media profile, people just don’t pick up on the story.

 

[benowens]

Personally I just don’t see how either Suzy Lamplugh or Claudia Lawrence could have managed to evade detection for so long.
The circumstances of their disappearance just leaps out as either abduction & murder, or murder by a person they trusted.
I worked in both London & York (although not when they disappeared) and can’t recall their cases at the time.
I put this down to being young and having lots of other distractions. Point being that it is possible that even with a high media profile, people just don’t pick up on the story.

It is very rare for a story to get so big that it gets to the point of obsession. The only missing people in the UK that have reached that level in recent years are arguably Madeleine McCann, Nicola Bulley and the Soham girls.
Nowadays cases like this are becoming more common because we are in the age of social media.
Also I personally think that Suzy have quite an average ordinary appearance for a 25 year old woman in the 80s.