UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #7

[Ljh21]

I hadn't considered the possibility of someone else returning to the car to remove property particulars and perhaps the key, if indeed she'd taken it with her. Perhaps they were on the passenger seat. That someone could well have missed the purse, tucked away in the map pocket.

I'm also of the opinion that Suzy drove herself to Stevenage Road and was alone.

even though she was not seen from being at her place of work, i also heard there was no clock in the workplace and wonder was that always the case?

 

[Ljh21]

I'm new here, so please be gentle!
I'm a shortish female of 5"4" so slightly shorter than Suzy. I always push the car seat right back simply in order to get out of the vehicle. I assume that's what Suzy would have done too, although there may be other mundane reasons why the seat was pushed back. The notion that the seat was pushed back therefore a man MUST have been driving seemed to enter the zeitgeist of the investigation at a very early stage if AS's account posted above is accurate.

What happened to the evidence that was collected? I understand that there wasn't much as the interior was mainly plastic, but that a palm print was found on the drivers' mirror?

I also wonder whether the bar under the driver's seat (probably metal) was examined for prints.

The 2 women where the car was found, when asked there account was way off, why mention what was on tv as if to hold account for it wheel the car out seat back looks like a man driving maybe a meeting about beauty with everyone looking for a male suspect, open the wall door and who would know, nothing to see here! With the car so close any dog police would assume the car’s location would throw them off if dogs were used.Could have even open the entrance for her to drive in

 

[greenwoodlad]

She wrote 37 Shorrolds, so if someone did that, they'd have to alter more than just a house number. Also, the entry would have to be in pencil rather than ink to be erasable. And if you wanted to lay a false trail why not erase the entry altogether?

problem with the erasing entry theory is ..if the diary was ever forensically examined which I doubt , it would be easy to tell by "indentations" in the paper what had been originally written...if you write something in pencil and erase it you can usually tell what has previously been written if you examine closely even under magnification.

 

[greenwoodlad]

can anyone confirm the number of people in the office when sjl left ? As i am struggling to get past that, if we rule out pow because she never picked up her items and assume she went to 123 can anyone tell me which way the car was facing at stevenage road?

 

[greenwoodlad]

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can we work it out from the pic / street view?

 

[greenwoodlad]

White Fiesta B396GAN was leased from Norman Reeves (uxbridge) I saw a clip where the owner of Sturgis was interviewed and said they leased several fiestas ...I've just seen another report where a witness saw 2 identical white fiestas double parked on the 28th July in one of the streets....... could there have been 2 identical and similar registration plate fiestas being used by Strurgis at Fulham that day .....so one parked in Stevenage rd and one bring driven by Suzy seen by her friend later on Fulham Palace rd

 

[RichardKimble]

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Just an observation, is it a one way street? Why aren't the cars parked facing the other way which is the way of travel normally.

 

[greenwoodlad]

can anyone confirm the number of people in the office when sjl left ? As i am struggling to get past that, if we rule out pow because she never picked up her items and assume she went to 123 can anyone tell me which way the car was facing at stevenage road?

facing north , parked between Kenyon st and langthorne st ....so theoretically the car would have been driven there via Kenyon St or Inglethorpe St or Harbord St , or Greswell St, or Finley St or Ellerby St or Doneraile St or Cloncurry St or Bishops Park Rd .

wasn't there a witness statement of her in Bishops Park sat on the grass with a male ? Bishops Park is just off Stevenage Rd but not near where her car was parked.

 

[greenwoodlad]

Just an observation, is it a one way street? Why aren't the cars parked facing the other way which is the way of travel normally.

Just looked on Streetview, its not a one way now but was it in 1986?

 

[WestLondoner]

It would be unusual for a one-way to revert to being a two-way IME.

Mulling on this, IMO someone parked a similar car there before noon, which was seen by School Pupil at noon and then by WJ at 12.40ish. That car then leaves. At or shortly after 2.30, 2.45ish, SJL stopped her car there, locked it and then got into her abductor's car, expecting not to be away from her own for very long. It's a lousy bit of parking, but it's only for five minutes. It is then her abductor who later returns to the car, unlocks the driver's door, puts gloves on and moves the seat back looking for something. He retrieves whatever it was he doesn't want found in the car, then goes away. He doesn't bother to steal the purse or lock the car. He's in a hurry and doesn't care if the car's stolen. In fact, it would be quite helpful if it were. He ditches the car keys, but not near the car (the drains etc were searched). Nothing conspicuous about this, which is why the BT guys noticed nothing. SJL's car and the one that was there before are similar enough that WJ fails to notice that there were in fact two cars.

This makes it possible for her to have gone to 37SR and also to have been seen in the FPR by BW - but it does require a second Fiesta.

 

[Ljh21]

It would be unusual for a one-way to revert to being a two-way IME.

Mulling on this, IMO someone parked a similar car there before noon, which was seen by School Pupil at noon and then by WJ at 12.40ish. That car then leaves. At or shortly after 2.30, 2.45ish, SJL stopped her car there, locked it and then got into her abductor's car, expecting not to be away from her own for very long. It's a lousy bit of parking, but it's only for five minutes. It is then her abductor who later returns to the car, unlocks the driver's door, puts gloves on and moves the seat back looking for something. He retrieves whatever it was he doesn't want found in the car, then goes away. He doesn't bother to steal the purse or lock the car. He's in a hurry and doesn't care if the car's stolen. In fact, it would be quite helpful if it were. He ditches the car keys, but not near the car (the drains etc were searched). Nothing conspicuous about this, which is why the BT guys noticed nothing. SJL's car and the one that was there before are similar enough that WJ fails to notice that there were in fact two cars.

This makes it possible for her to have gone to 37SR and also to have been seen in the FPR by BW - but it does require a second Fiesta.

Maybe sjl was in another works car if there was one

 

[Ljh21]

Maybe sjl was in another works car if there was one

Also it was said there was a second fiesta double parked @ 37sr with 2 men in

 

[Ljh21]

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Were there houses opposite the car in 1986?

 

[Ljh21]

White Fiesta B396GAN was leased from Norman Reeves (uxbridge) I saw a clip where the owner of Sturgis was interviewed and said they leased several fiestas ...I've just seen another report where a witness saw 2 identical white fiestas double parked on the 28th July in one of the streets....... could there have been 2 identical and similar registration plate fiestas being used by Strurgis at Fulham that day .....so one parked in Stevenage rd and one bring driven by Suzy seen by her friend later on Fulham Palace rd

Makes sense then when the car is put there later it would cause confusion, looks more like colleagues the more you think about it

 

[Ljh21]

Also it was said there was a second fiesta double parked @ 37sr with 2 men in

Mg’s alibi?

 

[Ljh21]

Makes sense then when the car is put there later it would cause confusion, looks more like colleagues the more you think about it

Or 3

 

[Ljh21]

That's a good point ....were the police certain it was Suzy's handwriting for that entry in her diary ? could someone else at Sturgis be involved in her disappearance....or creating a smoke screen ? that diary entry was what the whole investigation was built on

If that is the case maybe she never left work as there is no proof of that in any way at all just a pencil written meeting in the works diary no definitive sighting zero nil nothing from the moment she supposedly left the office i will look no further as the rest is 38 years of pure speculation.

 

[Konstantin]

It would be unusual for a one-way to revert to being a two-way IME.

Mulling on this, IMO someone parked a similar car there before noon, which was seen by School Pupil at noon and then by WJ at 12.40ish. That car then leaves. At or shortly after 2.30, 2.45ish, SJL stopped her car there, locked it and then got into her abductor's car, expecting not to be away from her own for very long. It's a lousy bit of parking, but it's only for five minutes. It is then her abductor who later returns to the car, unlocks the driver's door, puts gloves on and moves the seat back looking for something. He retrieves whatever it was he doesn't want found in the car, then goes away. He doesn't bother to steal the purse or lock the car. He's in a hurry and doesn't care if the car's stolen. In fact, it would be quite helpful if it were. He ditches the car keys, but not near the car (the drains etc were searched). Nothing conspicuous about this, which is why the BT guys noticed nothing. SJL's car and the one that was there before are similar enough that WJ fails to notice that there were in fact two cars.

This makes it possible for her to have gone to 37SR and also to have been seen in the FPR by BW - but it does require a second Fiesta.

There were loads of white Fiestas on the road back then. It could easily have been just another white Fiesta or small white car at noon.
This scenario actually makes sense because Kipper could have been in the car with her when she parked it. Locked his passenger door, she locks her door. They go somewhere. When he comes back later, probably in his car again, he ends up leaving her drivers door unlocked because he is in a hurry. Zero point in him nicking her purse, what for?
The car wasn't that badly parked. It was only slightly overlapping the garage entrance and it's London, people do that all the time if they need a parking spot. She probably just intended to be gone a few minutes.
The BT men wouldn't notice people parking and getting in and out of cars because they were busy digging up the road. Noisy work, you need to focus on it. And they were not there literally all day unless they didn't have bladders or stomachs to empty and fill.

 

[Ljh21]

There were loads of white Fiestas on the road back then. It could easily have been just another white Fiesta or small white car at noon.
This scenario actually makes sense because Kipper could have been in the car with her when she parked it. Locked his passenger door, she locks her door. They go somewhere. When he comes back later, probably in his car again, he ends up leaving her drivers door unlocked because he is in a hurry. Zero point in him nicking her purse, what for?
The car wasn't that badly parked. It was only slightly overlapping the garage entrance and it's London, people do that all the time if they need a parking spot. She probably just intended to be gone a few minutes.
The BT men wouldn't notice people parking and getting in and out of cars because they were busy digging up the road. Noisy work, you need to focus on it. And they were not there literally all day unless they didn't have bladders or stomachs to empty and fill.

Gone a few minutes in stevenage road leaves only 2 options if that is what you think so 1 is the recently sold house, more likely as if the crime was there then it is out of sight, 2 Number 123

 

[Ljh21]

Has it been considered, the possibility that SJL's colleague JC when he took her car out earlier that day he left it in the Mahon's property and it was then rolled out into the street later for police to find just after 10pm?

Yes maybe she was in another sturgis car so the dna check was on the wrong vehicle