Also if forensics said no-one then why is mg adamant about checking inside and out as his prints would be on both doors minimum inside and out, and would no doubt have been proved to be thereHow convenient to be able to place yourself there as looking for sjl but forensics said no-one had been in sr that day so how come forensics are so wrong
yes exactly could it be a second Sturgis fiesta ? WJ the witness at 123 SR .....could she even be involved somehow ? therefore as you say the time the car was parked there could be manipulated ...and was someone else at Sturgis involved ...I think it's a real possible theory.It would be unusual for a one-way to revert to being a two-way IME.
Mulling on this, IMO someone parked a similar car there before noon, which was seen by School Pupil at noon and then by WJ at 12.40ish. That car then leaves. At or shortly after 2.30, 2.45ish, SJL stopped her car there, locked it and then got into her abductor's car, expecting not to be away from her own for very long. It's a lousy bit of parking, but it's only for five minutes. It is then her abductor who later returns to the car, unlocks the driver's door, puts gloves on and moves the seat back looking for something. He retrieves whatever it was he doesn't want found in the car, then goes away. He doesn't bother to steal the purse or lock the car. He's in a hurry and doesn't care if the car's stolen. In fact, it would be quite helpful if it were. He ditches the car keys, but not near the car (the drains etc were searched). Nothing conspicuous about this, which is why the BT guys noticed nothing. SJL's car and the one that was there before are similar enough that WJ fails to notice that there were in fact two cars.
This makes it possible for her to have gone to 37SR and also to have been seen in the FPR by BW - but it does require a second Fiesta.
but that would mean that the witnesses who placed her outside 37 SR that day were all lying / confused?? ...there were 3 witnesses according the crimewatch reconstruction.....thoughts??If that is the case maybe she never left work as there is no proof of that in any way at all just a pencil written meeting in the works diary no definitive sighting zero nil nothing from the moment she supposedly left the office i will look no further as the rest is 38 years of pure speculation.
Confused , neighbour said later they could have left the house on the other side when door shut.This reminds me of Holly and jessica when a witness said she saw them walking down the road hand in hand and proved very misleading to the case and could possibly have changed the outcome.but that would mean that the witnesses who placed her outside 37 SR that day were all lying / confused?? ...there were 3 witnesses according the crimewatch reconstruction.....thoughts??
its a good theory - wished we could find out how many fiestas were leased to Sturgis Fulham in July 1986. Colleagues / Managers at Sturgis could have invented the events of that day ...(apart from the 3 witnesses in SR ....)....also was DNA checking even a thing in 1986 ? that's why I asked in any earlier post if Suzy's fiesta still exists somewhere in a police evidence warehouse? or is it long since scrapped?Also if forensics said no-one then why is mg lying about checking inside and out as his prints would be on both doors minimum inside and out, and would no doubt have been proved to be there
Mg needs to answer some questions, i am 100 on this one. Used another sturgis car, out at a lunchtime meeting, sjl may have been in the other car snd i will guess no dna check on that.
Several according to the owner so at least that is 3 minimumits a good theory - wished we could find out how many fiestas were leased to Sturgis Fulham in July 1986. Colleagues / Managers at Sturgis could have invented the events of that day ...(apart from the 3 witnesses in SR ....)....also was DNA checking even a thing in 1986 ? that's why I asked in any earlier post if Suzy's fiesta still exists somewhere in a police evidence warehouse? to is it long since scrapped?
That being the case they would need all of them!its a good theory - wished we could find out how many fiestas were leased to Sturgis Fulham in July 1986. Colleagues / Managers at Sturgis could have invented the events of that day ...(apart from the 3 witnesses in SR ....)....also was DNA checking even a thing in 1986 ? that's why I asked in any earlier post if Suzy's fiesta still exists somewhere in a police evidence warehouse? or is it long since scrapped?
OMG the hairs are standing up on my neck, that would explain leaving her purse in the car and the reason they went back to place it there all the time we have been looking at this wrong, it deflects from the other sturgis cars and puts the focus solely on the sjl car at 123.its a good theory - wished we could find out how many fiestas were leased to Sturgis Fulham in July 1986. Colleagues / Managers at Sturgis could have invented the events of that day ...(apart from the 3 witnesses in SR ....)....also was DNA checking even a thing in 1986 ? that's why I asked in any earlier post if Suzy's fiesta still exists somewhere in a police evidence warehouse? or is it long since scrapped?
When leaving the car at 123 intended to place purse and maybe saw headlights coming being a oneway at that time so that explains how it was left.OMG the hairs are standing up on my neck, that would explain leaving her purse in the car and the reason they went back to place it there all the time we have been looking at this wrong, it deflects from the other sturgis cars and puts the focus solely on the sjl car at 123.
Im into the theory of 2 white fiestas so just done some research at DVLA not that we can prove these were Sturgis lease cars but this is still interesting
B396GAN - suzys car
B398GAN - white fiesta (1.3L model so the next model up from Suzy's car) but nearly identical in looks - presumably now scrapped.
B400GAN - white fiesta (1.6 XR2 - sporty hot hatch ....could be a managers car?) - presumably now scrapped.
A witness could easily confuse the first 2 cars for sure
Presumably all registered and supplied by Norman Reeves as they would be allocated a batch of plates from DVLA
Dvla must hold the information surely? I mean this could be what is needed or coming down heavy on the suspectsIm into the theory of 2 white fiestas so just done some research at DVLA not that we can prove these were Sturgis lease cars but this is still interesting
B396GAN - suzys car
B398GAN - white fiesta (1.3L model so the next model up from Suzy's car) but nearly identical in looks - presumably now scrapped.
B400GAN - white fiesta (1.6 XR2 - sporty hot hatch ....could be a managers car?) - presumably now scrapped.
A witness could easily confuse the first 2 cars for sure
Presumably all registered and supplied by Norman Reeves as they would be allocated a batch of plates from DVLA
Without the purse there, possibly the police would have been inclined to be checking all sturgis cars.Slam Dunk 100OMG the hairs are standing up on my neck, that would explain leaving her purse in the car and the reason they went back to place it there all the time we have been looking at this wrong, it deflects from the other sturgis cars and puts the focus solely on the sjl car at 123.
interesting ...actually just watched the crimewatch reconstruction again on YouTube - the police car (that discovered her fiesta at 10pm that night) comes down the street the other way to the direction the fiesta is parked so proves it was a 2 way streetWhen leaving the car at 123 intended to place purse and maybe saw headlights coming being a oneway at that time so that explains how it was left.
its a good theory ....so nearly 39 years later ...where are those car keys ....with Suzy's body? ...in some undergrowth now buried due to time? destroyed? would they have DNA on them after all this time? why not leave them in the car if you had wiped them ? or does this mean Suzy had them, left the car in a hurry and Suzy was the last person to leave that car, maybe she forgot her purse and left the car in a hurry could she have been followed and wanted to run away quickly so just abandoned the car?There were loads of white Fiestas on the road back then. It could easily have been just another white Fiesta or small white car at noon.
This scenario actually makes sense because Kipper could have been in the car with her when she parked it. Locked his passenger door, she locks her door. They go somewhere. When he comes back later, probably in his car again, he ends up leaving her drivers door unlocked because he is in a hurry. Zero point in him nicking her purse, what for?
The car wasn't that badly parked. It was only slightly overlapping the garage entrance and it's London, people do that all the time if they need a parking spot. She probably just intended to be gone a few minutes.
The BT men wouldn't notice people parking and getting in and out of cars because they were busy digging up the road. Noisy work, you need to focus on it. And they were not there literally all day unless they didn't have bladders or stomachs to empty and fill.
The car being thereIm into the theory of 2 white fiestas so just done some research at DVLA not that we can prove these were Sturgis lease cars but this is still interesting
B396GAN - suzys car
B398GAN - white fiesta (1.3L model so the next model up from Suzy's car) but nearly identical in looks - presumably now scrapped.
B400GAN - white fiesta (1.6 XR2 - sporty hot hatch ....could be a managers car?) - presumably now scrapped.
A witness could easily confuse the first 2 cars for sure
Presumably all registered and supplied by Norman Reeves as they would be allocated a batch of plates from DVLA
Without the purse there, possibly the police would have been inclined to be checking all sturgis cars.Slam Dunk 100
No doubt!
its a good theory ....so nearly 39 years later ...where are those car keys ....with Suzy's body? ...in some undergrowth now buried due to time? destroyed? would they have DNA on them after all this time? why not leave them in the car if you had wiped them ? or does this mean Suzy had them, left the car in a hurry and Suzy was the last person to leave that car, maybe she forgot her purse and left the car in a hurry could she have been followed and wanted to run away quickly so just abandoned the car?
Boom! Spare key,so had lost suzys key or were so overwhelmed with the occasion probably not in the right situation to check her body for a key if it is in another sturgis car boot. So used the spare key and obviously could not leave that there as that would have to be back at the office.The car being there
If that is correct at least we know which direction they came from the right.interesting ...actually just watched the crimewatch reconstruction again on YouTube - the police car (that discovered her fiesta at 10pm that night) comes down the street the other way to the direction the fiesta is parked so proves it was a 2 way street
you've got something - see my posts about Sturgis potentially leasing 3 white fiestas with similar reg numbers B396 GAN, B398GAN & B400GANHas it been considered, the possibility that SJL's colleague JC when he took her car out earlier that day he left it in the Mahon's property and it was then rolled out into the street later for police to find just after 10pm?
hasn't Dead Woman's Ditch been searched? also the fiesta was in police custody by 10pm? with sightings during the day so if it was Cannan would he not use a vehicle he had ...why a Sturgis fiesta? that mileage would be possible on a full tank but interested in your theory re the fiesta being used and how it could have been?In April 2001, Jim Dickie was confident that Suzy would be found at Dead Women's Ditch in Somerset. He said "This is not a scattergun search; it is a result of information that we have received".
This location was of course where Shirley Banks was found. It's a 300-325 mile round trip from Fulham. Could a Ford Fiesta cover this distance on a full tank?
yes iv'e read that the house keys for 37SR never left the office - Suzy didn't take the house keys as they have a big yellow fob and the manager gave (the only set) to the police to do a property search the day after her disappearance so how could Suzy have taken the keys to show kipper the property and then got them back into the office ? There was only one set.Hi, I haven’t posted before but idly browsing web sleuths and wanted to add a question. I watched a documentary about this case a few years ago and it was mentioned that the house keys for the property being shown were found in the estate agent office after Suzy lamplugh went missing. That made me wonder whether someone in the office is connected to- whether they could have been using the house to conduct an affair? I don’t know if that’s already been looked into - I assume it has!
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