UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #7

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  • #441
does anyone have knowledge as to where the witness came from / who saw a white fiesta driving fast & erratically with a man & woman in ? and how did this information come about? and when did this witness come forward ...... what road was this on etc
If anywhere near 37 shorrolds would fit in with the double parked fiesta
The pub being open makes it highly unlikely that anything untoward happened. There would have been staff and customers around.
i am getting the feeling of who else had keys for 37 shorrolds as the owner had given one set to a cleaner were any other associates known to have keys, or could have got hold of keys ? I think this is the strongest line of investigation as if we assume she had that booking then every option there needs checking.Did dv check every detail of keyholders at that address?
 
  • #442
occams razor. SL took the keys and paperwork to 37 Shorrolds rd that day.
She did ...otherwise 3 witnesses that day (even tho the neighbour could have been confused), cannot all be wrong....but I do believe that the "how that appointment came about" is a massive question mark ....and obviously that information is the key to solving this.

Can anyone confirm if " white fiesta driving erratically" was witnessed in Shorrolds Rd ?
 
  • #443
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occams razor. SL took the keys and paperwork to 37 shorrolds rd that day.
And even if she wasn't intending to go to 37SR, surely she'd have taken details and the key as a cover?
 
  • #444
Ah so

Ah so it was open then and was a possible point of contact

I wonder if the cleaner had a friend, drove a white fiesta and was double parked outside 37 sr, if so that would explain having someone to move the car as you would have an accomplice and would possibly have had contact at some point with sjl in the recent past, they could have even called sturgis and arranged the meeting maybe even phoned there a few times until they were speaking to sjl to make sure she took the booking and would possibly know 123 was for sale, maybe even lived near 123
Does anyone have the place and time of the witness van driver who had to swerve to miss someone driving erratically in a fiesta?
The fiesta driving erratically and where needs to be confirmed . I definitely think someone phoned last minute to set up that appointment ...if they spoke to SJL directly it would have to be a man (hence she wrote Mr Kipper in the diary ).....or

alternative theory is that MG said - "Hey Suzy just had a client call - can you show them 37 SR at 12.45 today - meet outside....errm his names Kipper...so she did not take the call but told about the appointment.
 
  • #445
zqaq1q,?

And even if she wasn't intending to go to 37SR, surely she'd have taken details and the key as a cover?
yes and keys & details were never found ...but the more I think on this..... I think she did go to 37SR - she walked into a trap and a fake appointment - she didn't know was fake....but WHO set it up for her ? That's the big question
 
  • #446
I wonder if his death will evoke new found interest in the case of SJL?
I think you have your answer as this thread is now very active ...we're all interested in solving this one.
 
  • #447
the sketch looks nothing like SL boss MG.
wasn't the photofit based on evidence from the neighbour of 37SR? - he was unreliable as he later said he was confused about the day etc - so I think the photofit can be discounted.
 
  • #448
The fiesta driving erratically and where needs to be confirmed . I definitely think someone phoned last minute to set up that appointment ...if they spoke to SJL directly it would have to be a man (hence she wrote Mr Kipper in the diary ).....or

alternative theory is that MG said - "Hey Suzy just had a client call - can you show them 37 SR at 12.45 today - meet outside....errm his names Kipper...so she did not take the call but told about the appointment.
I think if that were the case and someone - MG or anyone else- would have ensured that the client details record was completed in accordance with office policy.

The fact that the particulars (of budget, personal details, ability to proceed etc) were NOT recorded is another red flag supporting the hypothesis that Sjl herself invented the appointment as a cover for something, imho. Then again, perhaps she was just too careless, or too lazy to record them. Or perhaps office protocols were not so tight as they should be.
 
  • #449
I think if that were the case and someone - MG or anyone else- would have ensured that the client details record was completed in accordance with office policy.

The fact that the particulars (of budget, personal details, ability to proceed etc) were NOT recorded is another red flag supporting the hypothesis that Sjl herself invented the appointment as a cover for something, imho. Then again, perhaps she was just too careless, or too lazy to record them. Or perhaps office protocols were not so tight as they should be.
If MG had set it up he would have wanted police to think Suzy invented it so why would he fill in client details records? it would support a plan to abduct suzy etc if he made the police think Suzy set it up and the client details NOT being filled in would be a positive for him surely ...as he would say - this wasn't an official appointment - she must have invented it?
 
  • #450
yes and keys & details were never found ...but the more I think on this..... I think she did go to 37SR - she walked into a trap and a fake appointment - she didn't know was fake....but WHO set it up for her ? That's the big question
I would put my money on al then if it was a last minute thing as he would know her work schedule for the day
 
  • #451
wasn't the photofit based on evidence from the neighbour of 37SR? - he was unreliable as he later said he was confused about the day etc - so I think the photofit can be discounted.
Yeah- unfortunately he proved to be unreliable. There's a theory that it was MG, and a female colleague, whom he saw outside 37SR, not "kipper", and that the photofit is of MG.
 
  • #452
wasn't the photofit based on evidence from the neighbour of 37SR? - he was unreliable as he later said he was confused about the day etc - so I think the photofit can be discounted.
Looks like her boyfriend though and he had just come back off holiday hence the dark complexion
 
  • #453
I would put my money on al then if it was a last minute thing as he would know her work schedule for the day
Al had an alibi, didn't he?
 
  • #454
Looks like her boyfriend though and he had just come back off holiday hence the dark complexion
If only we had all the witness statements and details you could really come up with some clear options
 
  • #455
Al had an alibi, didn't he?
I would like to know what it was and who gave him the cover, but still does not mean anything as you could always pay someone to do it!
 
  • #456
Looks like her boyfriend though and he had just come back off holiday hence the dark complexion
To me, it looks like a generic type of smartish young man - a yuppie type. It resembles AL, perhaps, or MG. Many are convinced that it is JC.
 
  • #457
I would like to know what it was and who gave him the cover, but still does not mean anything as you could always pay someone to do it!
Apparently he was in work meetings all day. He would've been one of the first interviewed, and presumably at some length.
 
  • #458
Al had an alibi, didn't he?
how solid was his alibi and what was it do we know? ...I read the police grilled him for hours and were satisfied he had nothing to do with her disappearance ....but shed just dumped him - not a great excuse to murder her but surely police would be observing him in the days after 28th July as a matter of procedure as he would be a prime suspect?
 
  • #459
Apparently he was in work meetings all day. He would've been one of the first interviewed, and presumably at some length.
and how could he be behind setting up the fake Mr Kipper appointment ? even if he was in work meetings - him doing it with an accomplice is a bit far fetched I suppose.
 
  • #460
I've offered this as a possible explanation before, but there are people new to the thread, so ....

The owner of 37 Shorrolds Road was away, working abroad. It's possible that he gave a set of keys to a third party - a friend, or maybe he had a cleaner - so that they could periodically check that all was in order, and forward mail.
So the police could have contacted the keyholder by the following day.
Just read that the owner of 37 SR was a helicopter pilot ..worked abroad. ....there was only one set of keys for SR - he only gave Sturgis that 1 set - categorically there were no other keys given to any other individual by the owner - but of course someone at sturgis could have had another set cut couldn't they?
 
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