UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #7

[Ljh21]

Because it was him and he slipped up there big time,

Maybe mg and slp paid a visit to the address the day or 2 before making it likely that someone may have recalled seeing a couple there but not on the day in question that accounts for the key fob being at work and a false made up diary entry?

Because it was him and he slipped up there big time,

 

[greenwoodlad]

I can't make any sense at all of why the car would be abandoned opposite another Sturgis property. I think DV's theory is that whoever dumped it there drove it over the bridge (forming a psychological barrier between it and the POW) and then kind of creating a false scent to another Sturgis property.

I can see this could be what happened....so someone connected with the POW pub in Putney could be responsible for her disappearance and they then had to dump the car so what was the nearest sturgis property for sale to the POW ...(potentially 123 SR as they were a Fulham agent) ....so go dump it there but I still don't get how nobody recalled that car being driven there when there was such media coverage in the first 2 days while it was fresh in memories - doesn't seem right , or maybe it was witnessed but they didn't want to come forward....

 

[Ljh21]

They spent a week searching at Dead Woman's Ditch in 2001. The police thought Cannan drove Suzy there from London. I was wondering if he could have made such a journey, in a typical small car of the era, without having to stop for petrol somewhere on the way there or back.

If we assume sjl went missing sometime from being at work until reported @6:45 we have around 6 hours and the london traffic to contend with, even if something happened at work i doubt you would want a body in the boot of a car that could be stopped or checked and i would think less likely you would want to move sjl more than once so it is south out of fulham and if planned then everything is ready so where would you put sjl you are not going to incriminate yourself, you have a location thought through it has to be remote south off of main highway but you have to know the areas comings and goings, is there a specific day that suzys items were noted missing because i cannot get past sunday as no-one knew apart from al

 

[greenwoodlad]

I thought the 37sr key fob was in the office, can anyone clear that up?

yeah the key for 37SR was in the office - suzy never took it - allegedly there was only 1 key unless MG & Sturgis weren't telling the truth on that one! the only key was given to police next day to search 37 - but if Suzy had took it there wouldn't be a key there to take?

 

[greenwoodlad]

i think the landlord KH made up that story about getting that phone call from a sarah asking about suzy. SL did not even know the landlord, so his story makes no sense, and the rest of his story is very strange. the phone call from a man saying he was a police officer, then giving the phone number to the police. i think he was looking for attention. a walter mitty character.

In DV book , he locates and chats to the the temporary landlord at his home in Northumberland ..if you read that.. this guy really is odd and wouldn't talk initially and even when he did was odd - definitely something to hide re SJL so why is that & why would he be so edgy ?

 

[Ljh21]

my theory is that ditching SL car on stevenage rd directly across the road from another sturgis property was part of the plan. there is no way that can be a coincidence. that location was chosen. i believe he ditched the car in a hurry, then possibly picked up his own vehicle close by. he then went back to where ever he had SL held captive.

Pow

 

[tes1984]

If we assume sjl went missing sometime from being at work until reported @6:45 we have around 6 hours and the london traffic to contend with, even if something happened at work i doubt you would want a body in the boot of a car that could be stopped or checked and i would think less likely you would want to move sjl more than once so it is south out of fulham and if planned then everything is ready so where would you put sjl you are not going to incriminate yourself, you have a location thought through it has to be remote south off of main highway but you have to know the areas comings and goings

The police search drew a blank, but the police thought Suzy had been taken to Somerset and buried there.

 

[Kasparthecat1]

I thought the 37sr key fob was in the office, can anyone clear that up?

I don't think it's ever been properly established. The detective who appeared on Crimewatch, Nick Carter, said explicitly that the key was missing. Others have questioned this, as police were able to get into the property to forensicate it without apparently damaging the door. It's a mystery.

 

[greenwoodlad]

The police search drew a blank, but the police thought Suzy had been taken to Somerset and buried there.

I don't buy the driving a long distance with a body theory ....I think the perpetrator would want do everything closeby - I would say everything would happen within a few miles of where she was abducted ....I actually think the black BMW with a couple arguing or the lady screaming or laughing is really interesting - how could a witness make that up and if you were abducting someone who was screaming or protesting - you wouldn't want to drive them far - same with a dead body IMO

 

[Ljh21]

Pow

For each suspect we can come up with the most likely scenario then look at strongest to weakest

 

[greenwoodlad]

How do we know SJL left the office at 12.40....we know she had 12.45 Appt at 37SR ......but who witnessed her leave at 12.40? if this person was correct / has reason to cover something.... could she have left at say 12.20 ? how trusting are we of the Sturgis staff accounts of her departure time , this could be crucial

 

[lee sumner]

The police search drew a blank, but the police thought Suzy had been taken to Somerset and buried there.

searching somerset with JC as the suspect, but its a very long way from london. i doubt he would travel that far with SL body in a car. if another man snatched SL that day, then her remains probably lie somewhere near london.

 

[lee sumner]

I don't think it's ever been properly established. The detective who appeared on Crimewatch, Nick Carter, said explicitly that the key was missing. Others have questioned this, as police were able to get into the property to forensicate it without apparently damaging the door. It's a mystery.

SIO, CARTER, says SL took the keys and paperwork to 37/SHORROLDS. he was the man in charge, so i believe him him.

 

[greenwoodlad]

searching somerset with JC as the suspect, but its a very long way from london. i doubt he would travel that far with SL body in a car. if another man snatched SL that day, then her remains probably lie somewhere near london.

Agree completely

 

[lee sumner]

I don't buy the driving a long distance with a body theory ....I think the perpetrator would want do everything closeby - I would say everything would happen within a few miles of where she was abducted ....I actually think the black BMW with a couple arguing or the lady screaming or laughing is really interesting - how could a witness make that up and if you were abducting someone who was screaming or protesting - you wouldn't want to drive them far - same with a dead body IMO

the BMW witness did not come forward until 14 yrs later. after so long, i would not even put his statement in the case file.

 

[greenwoodlad]

the BMW witness did not come forward until 14 yrs later. after so long, i would not even put his statement in the case file.

I didn't know that ...I agree why would you suddenly remember that

 

[Ljh21]

SIO, CARTER, says SL took the keys and paperwork to 37/SHORROLDS. he was the man in charge, so i believe him him.

But it is said mg had the jeys to 37sr after sjl missing so sio carter must be wrong

 

[Kasparthecat1]

But it is said mg had the jeys to 37sr after sjl missing so sio carter must be wrong

Who said MG had the keys? I recall DV going to great lengths to build a case for this, stating if memory serves that there was no visible damage to the door, so the police must've used a key to get in. Not sure if I believe that.

And also - and not sure if I've misremembered this - didn't MG go to 37SR to look for Sjl later in the day and was unable to get in? If he'd known that the key was still in the office, surely he'd have used it?

I'm inclined to believe SIO Carter on this.

 

[Kasparthecat1]

How do we know SJL left the office at 12.40....we know she had 12.45 Appt at 37SR ......but who witnessed her leave at 12.40? if this person was correct / has reason to cover something.... could she have left at say 12.20 ? how trusting are we of the Sturgis staff accounts of her departure time , this could be crucial

If sjl was going to a genuine appointment at 12.45, leaving at 12.40 would be cutting it fine imo. She'd have to find her car, negotiate traffic and park up in the space of 5 minutes. She apparently had form for being early to appointments. 12.40 may well be inaccurate, especially if there was no clock in the office to refer to.

 

[Ljh21]

Who said MG had the keys? I recall DV going to great lengths to build a case for this, stating if memory serves that there was no visible damage to the door, so the police must've used a key to get in. Not sure if I believe that.

And also - and not sure if I've misremembered this - didn't MG go to 37SR to look for Sjl later in the day and was unable to get in? If he'd known that the key was still in the office, surely he'd have used it?

I'm inclined to believe SIO Carter on this.

It just shows we cannot even get the snswer to weather the keys are lost or not lol