UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #7

[Ljh21]

how solid was his alibi and what was it do we know? ...I read the police grilled him for hours and were satisfied he had nothing to do with her disappearance ....but shed just dumped him - not a great excuse to murder her but surely police would be observing him in the days after 28th July as a matter of procedure as he would be a prime suspect?

Yes i read 11 times but to be honest if you do not incriminate yourself what can they do, they really did have him as the number one, i would have liked to have seen his financial transactions for the time of seeing sjl to years later.

 

[Cherwell]

Just read that the owner of 37 SR was a helicopter pilot ..worked abroad. ....there was only one set of keys for SR - he only gave Sturgis that 1 set - categorically there were no other keys given to any other individual by the owner - but of course someone at sturgis could have had another set cut couldn't they?

What's the source for there only being one set of keys in existence?

 

[greenwoodlad]

What's the source for there only being one set of keys in existence?

Investigation - SL time for the truth - Lolly True Crime / Medium ......definitely worth a read

 

[Cherwell]

Investigation - SL time for the truth - Lolly True Crime / Medium ......definitely worth a read

I expect I've read it, but I'll have a look and see what her source is.

ETA:
"The owner of the house that was selling (the vendor) was a helicopter pilot and he confirms that he only gave ONE set of keys to Sturgis when the house was put on the market for sale, which incidentally was just a week before Suzy disappeared. There was no evidence of a second set being cut and the policy at Sturgis was to put all keys to a property on ONE tag so all keys would have been with Suzy if she had taken them."

If this is all there is, it doesn't say that the owner didn't have another set of keys. It says "no evidence of a second set being cut" but that means by the estate agent. All they are saying here is that Sturgis only had one set.

 

[Ljh21]

I expect I've read it, but I'll have a look and see what her source is.

ETA:
"The owner of the house that was selling (the vendor) was a helicopter pilot and he confirms that he only gave ONE set of keys to Sturgis when the house was put on the market for sale, which incidentally was just a week before Suzy disappeared. There was no evidence of a second set being cut and the policy at Sturgis was to put all keys to a property on ONE tag so all keys would have been with Suzy if she had taken them."

If this is all there is, it doesn't say that the owner didn't have another set of keys. It says "no evidence of a second set being cut" but that means by the estate agent. All they are saying here is that Sturgis only had one set.

So how did the cleaner have a set and would have been cleaning the property before sturgis were selling it, someone could have cut a set who knew him even.so was this a sturgis cleaner? Would explain the other double parked fiesta and if so they would have been the ones with the keys as it was stated 2 fiestas one double parked ?? If that is the case there would have been at least a key exchange

 

[Cherwell]

So how did the cleaner have a set and would have been cleaning the property before sturgis were selling it, someone could have cut a set who knew him even.so was this a sturgis cleaner? Would explain the other double parked fiesta and if so they would have been the ones with the keys as it was stated 2 fiestas one double parked ?? If that is the case there would have been at least a key exchange

It is not a FACT that there was a cleaner who had a set of keys.
I speculated that the owner had left keys with someone while he was away, probably a friend or perhaps a cleaner if he employed one. Lolly's blog does not rule out the possibility.

 

[Ljh21]

It is not a FACT that there was a cleaner who had a set of keys.
I speculated that the owner had left keys with someone while he was away, probably a friend or perhaps a cleaner if he employed one. Lolly's blog does not rule out the possibility.

Yet another avenure that needs checking out if not done.
Also terryb808 made a good pointback in the day the workmen used to love a good wolf whistle, maybe sjl confronted them and something happened, was that area where i guess they were working checked properly or their work vehicle?

 

[WiseOwl]

Apparently he was in work meetings all day. He would've been one of the first interviewed, and presumably at some length.

What AL did that day is outlined in AS book. He did have meetings all day, but left the office twice - once to go to a meeting, the other to meet a friend for lunch (female IIRC). Sadly, there are no details about where the meeting or lunch had taken place, nor were any timings given.

AL also phoned Suzy's office that afternoon at 4.40 and left a message, but again, there are no details of what this message was about.

AL, together with MG, were at Fulham Police Station that evening at 10.30, and AL was questioned until the early hours of the morning.

AS states that it took a lot of work and several weeks before the police confirmed that all of AL's alibi's for the day checked out, and he was confirmed as having no involvement in Suzy's disappearance.

 

[Ljh21]

It is not a FACT that there was a cleaner who had a set of keys.
I speculated that the owner had left keys with someone while he was away, probably a friend or perhaps a cleaner if he employed one. Lolly's blog does not rule out the possibility.

Yet another avenure that needs checking out if not done.

What AL did that day is outlined in AS book. He did have meetings all day, but left the office twice - once to go to a meeting, the other to meet a friend for lunch (female IIRC). Sadly, there are no details about where the meeting or lunch had taken place, nor were any timings given.

AL also phoned Suzy's office that afternoon at 4.40 and left a message, but again, there are no details of what this message was about.

AL, together with MG, were at Fulham Police Station that evening at 10.30, and AL was questioned until the early hours of the morning.

AS states that it took a lot of work and several weeks before the police confirmed that all of AL's alibi's for the day checked out, and he was confirmed as having no involvement in Suzy's disappearance.

her name wasnt sarah by any chance?

 

[Eastend Eagle]

Has it been considered, the possibility that SJL's colleague JC when he took her car out earlier that day he left it in the Mahon's property and it was then rolled out into the street later for police to find just after 10pm?

Ive been looking at the fiesta as a piece of evidence and taking into account all that is known ...I feel.....

1. It was abandoned (not parked!) in a hurry - hence not parked straight , handbrake off and the door unlocked ...but why take the keys and not the purse.

2. I feel where it was abandoned is significant - why outside a property for sale by Sturgis? and why on that particular street in that particular place it just can't be coincidence....

3. Who abandoned it there ? I think the evidence is mixed but on balance says it was NOT Suzy ...actually why would she change the seat position - if indeed it was ever changed ? as one person on this forum states ...

4. Passenger door was locked , why lock that and not the drivers - so it was driven there by a person with no passenger.

So my conclusion is

car was abandoned by someone other than Suzy , in a hurry and location of outside 123 stevenage rd was significant.

someone would have surely seen it actually driven along those streets before it was dumped?

Thoughts?

The handbrake being off would fit with the car being rolled back into the road.
And the smudged fingerprint on the rearview mirror would fit with it being rolled backwards onto the road.

 

[Ljh21]

The handbrake being off would fit with the car being rolled back into the road.
And the smudged fingerprint on the rearview mirror would fit with it being rolled backwards onto the road.

It would explain why it was poorly parked as you would not mess around lining it up.i am going back to their involvement, from the 2 women not getting their story right and it making no sense and the address having previous contact with the company, and there possibly being a beauty connection with sjl, all that and the option of the car being out of sight on there drive/ garage area and the location of the car that is a strong 6 points to think about.

 

[Ljh21]

To me, it looks like a generic type of smartish young man - a yuppie type. It resembles AL, perhaps, or MG. Many are convinced that it is JC.

One thing that keeps returning to me is if jc did the crime and the garden was dug up by forensic team, the tree in the corner of the garden in shipton road looks about the right age to have been planted around that time, knowing what a sly fox cannan was it would be the perfect place to put sjl and also i guess the police have given that no thought as the tree is still there!

 

[greenwoodlad]

The handbrake being off would fit with the car being rolled back into the road.
And the smudged fingerprint on the rearview mirror would fit with it being rolled backwards onto the road.

Where would the fiesta be rolled back into the road from? where are you thinking it was?

 

[greenwoodlad]

Watched a long recorded interview with investigator DV last night ....he concluded that after re investigating the case for 3 years and speaking to Sturgis colleagues in 2020
1. she left Sturgis without keys for 37SR or property details just her purse and car keys.....between 12.30 and 12.40 - the time has never been absolutely known.
2. She should have turned left out of the agency to go to her car which her colleague told her was parked in Whittingstall Rd ( left out of the office ) if she was going to her car to then drive to 37 SR.
3. She turned right out of the office according to DV's investigations not left towards her car.

Which could suggest she had no intention of going to 37 SR or she was popping to eg a shop perhaps first before she went back to get her car?

 

[Ljh21]

Same place as me out of the garden entrance on the end house

Where would the fiesta be rolled back into the road from? where are you thinking it was?

 

[Ljh21]

Watched a long recorded interview with investigator DV last night ....he concluded that after re investigating the case for 3 years and speaking to Sturgis colleagues in 2020
1. she left Sturgis without keys for 37SR or property details just her purse and car keys.....between 12.30 and 12.40 - the time has never been absolutely known.
2. She should have turned left out of the agency to go to her car which her colleague told her was parked in Whittingstall Rd ( left out of the office ) if she was going to her car to then drive to 37 SR.
3. She turned right out of the office according to DV's investigations not left towards her car.

Which could suggest she had no intention of going to 37 SR or she was popping to eg a shop perhaps first before she went back to get her car?

Just knowing that her colleague had driven her car, so did forensics obviously find signs that they had driven that car also makes a good cover if any forensics found in the car they can just say they drove it that day, but i have read that no signs of anyone else were found in the car but al’s prints were all over it?

 

[greenwoodlad]

Just knowing that her colleague had driven her car, so did forensics obviously find signs that they had driven that car also makes a good cover if any forensics found in the car they can just say they drove it that day, but i have read that no signs of anyone else were found in the car but al’s prints were all over it?

Interesting - would AL be insured to drive what was actually SJL's company car? I know she used it for personal use too.... I still have a feeling AL had something to do with the events of the 28th July 1986. But would the police have discounted his prints as he had use of the car? he could of course have used it uninsured ...

 

[lee sumner]

Interesting - would AL be insured to drive what was actually SJL's company car? I know she used it for personal use too.... I still have a feeling AL had something to do with the events of the 28th July 1986. But would the police have discounted his prints as he had use of the car? he could of course have used it uninsured ...

yes, they knew AL used her car on occasion, and that is why his prints were inside. they also got him to sit in the drivers seat and confirm the seat had been adjusted to someone his size.

 

[RichardKimble]

yes, they knew AL used her car on occasion, and that is why his prints were inside. they also got him to sit in the drivers seat and confirm the seat had been adjusted to someone his size.

Were he and JC of similar statue? Can't help but think the car is a red herring though, was it moved from A to B to deflect away from A, where ever that might have been.

 

[lee sumner]

Were he and JC of similar statue? Can't help but think the car is a red herring though, was it moved from A to B to deflect away from A, where ever that might have been.

not sure, but i think AL is tall. around 6ft. i believe JC is only about 5ft7.