UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #7

[lee sumner]

Were he and JC of similar statue? Can't help but think the car is a red herring though, was it moved from A to B to deflect away from A, where ever that might have been.

ditching SL car on stevenage rd in fulham was a clever move, as i believe SL was taken to a location outside of fulham, but not to far away. possibly within a 3 mile radius. he then brings the car back into fulham, so now the investigators focus on one area, fulham.

 

[Ljh21]

Watched a long recorded interview with investigator DV last night ....he concluded that after re investigating the case for 3 years and speaking to Sturgis colleagues in 2020
1. she left Sturgis without keys for 37SR or property details just her purse and car keys.....between 12.30 and 12.40 - the time has never been absolutely known.
2. She should have turned left out of the agency to go to her car which her colleague told her was parked in Whittingstall Rd ( left out of the office ) if she was going to her car to then drive to 37 SR.
3. She turned right out of the office according to DV's investigations not left towards her car.

Which could suggest she had no intention of going to 37 SR or she was popping to eg a shop perhaps first before she went back to get her car?

Why did they not call her back then if they knew she left without them , that makes no sense surely even if sjl had left before they noticed that would mean 37 shorrolds road appointment never existed instinct says the workplace as every detail would work from there.

 

[Ljh21]

Why did they nit call her back then if they knew she left without them , that makes no sense

I wondef if they considered her popping into a shop? But i guess if she had then no need to move the car.

 

[Ljh21]

Watched a long recorded interview with investigator DV last night ....he concluded that after re investigating the case for 3 years and speaking to Sturgis colleagues in 2020
1. she left Sturgis without keys for 37SR or property details just her purse and car keys.....between 12.30 and 12.40 - the time has never been absolutely known.
2. She should have turned left out of the agency to go to her car which her colleague told her was parked in Whittingstall Rd ( left out of the office ) if she was going to her car to then drive to 37 SR.
3. She turned right out of the office according to DV's investigations not left towards her car.

Which could suggest she had no intention of going to 37 SR or she was popping to eg a shop perhaps first before she went back to get her car?

i read somewhere that she was to get mg's sandwiches, so did that shop ever get checked, so if we say suzy left at 12:40 , what time did mg leave? did he go to her car if "Mr kipper" had another meaning and drive it say to pick up on lettice street

 

[Kasparthecat1]

i read somewhere that she was to get mg's sandwiches, so did that shop ever get checked, so if we say suzy left at 12:40 , what time did mg leave? did he go to her car if "Mr kipper" had another meaning and drive it say to pick up on lettice street

Wasn't MG at lunch in Crocodile Tears with one of the bosses when sjl left?

 

[Ljh21]

Wasn't MG at lunch in Crocodile Tears with one of the bosses when sjl left?

Seriously is that the alibi, how convenient that its all sturgis

 

[tes1984]

ditching SL car on stevenage rd in fulham was a clever move, as i believe SL was taken to a location outside of fulham, but not to far away. possibly within a 3 mile radius. he then brings the car back into fulham, so now the investigators focus on one area, fulham.

If it was Cannan, then he would definitely have tried to avoid being part of any door to door enquiries.
But if he was smart enough to avoid the door to doors, and to move a hot car away from his hideout, then why was he so careless with everything a year later, with Shirley Banks and her car etc?
My theory is that Cannan deteriorated mentally and his alcoholism got worse between 1986 and 87. He went from fairly organised in 86 with Suzy, to a much less careful offender with his later murders.
JMO though. I can see why some might argue that Cannan couldn't get away with such a perfect crime, based on his other known offences.

 

[Ljh21]

Seriously is that the alibi, how convenient that its all sturgis

And if he was at lunch then how come there was info that sjl was going to bring him back sandwiches? Or is that more false information. I would love to know all the sturgis vacant properties and lettings for sale at that time.

 

[Eastend Eagle]

Where would the fiesta be rolled back into the road from? where are you thinking it was?

From inside the property outside of which it was found

 

[lee sumner]

If it was Cannan, then he would definitely have tried to avoid being part of any door to door enquiries.
But if he was smart enough to avoid the door to doors, and to move a hot car away from his hideout, then why was he so careless with everything a year later, with Shirley Banks and her car etc?
My theory is that Cannan deteriorated mentally and his alcoholism got worse between 1986 and 87. He went from fairly organised in 86 with Suzy, to a much less careful offender with his later murders.
JMO though. I can see why some might argue that Cannan couldn't get away with such a perfect crime, based on his other known offences.

i doubt JC was mr kipper. JC was not very organised in his offending. who ever snatched SL that day pulled off the perfect crime. JC had only been free 3 days before SL went missing, so i doubt it was him.

 

[Ljh21]

ditching SL car on stevenage rd in fulham was a clever move, as i believe SL was taken to a location outside of fulham, but not to far away. possibly within a 3 mile radius. he then brings the car back into fulham, so now the investigators focus on one area, fulham.

I think it is usually within a mile it would be good to do a radius of all the location points of interest and then see what is in the areas that overlap and how many would be sturgis locations as they had one near disraeli rd at the time.

i doubt JC was mr kipper. JC was not very organised in his offending. who ever snatched SL that day pulled off the perfect crime. JC had only been free 3 days before SL went missing, so i doubt it was him.

perfect apart from everything pointing to sturgis and at least 2 people then my thinking says that 123 was the pick up point after the crime (makes pow look a possiblly involved) they would know the quietest spot or the one with least traffic as no disecting roads the river walk would be used by most pedestrians so less foot trffic, parking makes them look flustered or so suggests so not their usual situation unlike cannan, i would be looking at all sturgis lock ups and empty property outside of this area at that time because like previously said why else is the car there

 

[Ljh21]

One thing that keeps returning to me is if jc did the crime and the garden was dug up by forensic team, the tree in the corner of the garden in shipton road looks about the right age to have been planted around that time, knowing what a sly fox cannan was it would be the perfect place to put sjl and also i guess the police have given that no thought as the tree is still there!

Slp- suzy lamplugh
386 - 3 women 1986 ( we all know this i know)
S- ? Sutton coldfield ? Shipton road ?
Under the tree, right up in the corner furthest distance from the house and not overlooked.

 

[Ljh21]

Seriously

W

 

[Cherwell]

Slp- suzy lamplugh
386 - 3 women 1986 ( we all know this i know)

The numberplate theory is just silly.
SLP is not Suzy Lamplugh's initials. Why wouldn't he use SJL? He could have chosen any numbers and letters.
If it was a subtle reference to three women, why not use three initials, ie one from each?

 

[Ljh21]

The numberplate theory is just silly.
SLP is not Suzy Lamplugh's initials. Why wouldn't he use SJL? He could have chosen any numbers and letters.
If it was a subtle reference to three women, why not use three initials, ie one from each?

Maybe he did

 

[Cherwell]

Maybe he did

So S = Shirley. Who do you reckon L and P are?

 

[tes1984]

i doubt JC was mr kipper. JC was not very organised in his offending. who ever snatched SL that day pulled off the perfect crime. JC had only been free 3 days before SL went missing, so i doubt it was him.

If JC wasn't Mr Kipper, then why didn't he just explain where he was the day Suzy went missing? Or provide an alibi for the 72 hours after the disappearance?

The police looked at 8 major suspects for Suzy, and JC was the only one who couldn't be ruled out by alibi.

The police also think JC knew Suzy. I doubt they are basing this on a three day period for them to have met.

 

[Eastend Eagle]

Just had a thought the publican stated “several hours (so lets say 3) after suzy was known to be missing, so lets say 3-3:45 he received a phone call from sarah asking “is suzy there” and left her name and number, anyone know what the publicans statement was in full?
1 if the call was from her mum, her mum would have no idea to call the pub
2 if it was from a friend they too would have no idea she may be going there so that leaves al,(knew she had lost her items) mg, (the same), the flatmate( who possibly knew) and possibly abductors meaning there was a man and woman or the publican is lying

Wasn't the woman Suzy came back from Worthing with the day before called Sarah?

 

[RichardKimble]

If JC wasn't Mr Kipper, then why didn't he just explain where he was the day Suzy went missing? Or provide an alibi for the 72 hours after the disappearance?

The police looked at 8 major suspects for Suzy, and JC was the only one who couldn't be ruled out by alibi.

The police also think JC knew Suzy. I doubt they are basing this on a three day period for them to have met.

JC never needed to provide any thing.The police couldn't put them together.

 

[Eastend Eagle]

occams razor. SL took the keys and paperwork to 37 shorrolds rd that day.

38 years on, I'm not sure occams razor applies in this case JMO