UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #7

[Ljh21]

I don't think the Railway Killers were involved ....wheres the Railway connection ? plus most of the bodies were left / semi destroyed ...were found - SJL has never been found , I agree a body was dumped in a canal but ...they just don't fit the SJL disappearance IMO

I was not strong on that just wondered what others thought, one thing that just came to me which has been passed by was the wardo ave connection, one road from gowan avenue i think a possible lunatic lived on that road? Eg jill dando, i feel a similar connection

 

[Ljh21]

I feel SJL went to meet someone that she knew or had a connection with/agreed to meet - something happened then - I don't think it was someone not known to her or at least the initial meeting was with someone she knew of

The only other thought i had was sjl went to wardo ave earlier maybe upset a lunatic with her parking he called and arranged a viewing having noticed shorrolds was for sale (not to far away) so in my thinking he still lived there when jd was murdered in gowan avenue he did that also so i think he lived on gowan avenue (where sjl must have parked) for this theory to happen from 1985 onwards and still lives there is 6’ plus tall and to see jd arrive lived within a few houses and looks something like the photofit , so now he is 56+ years male and if not driving when sjl went missing explains the shoddy parking

 

[tes1984]

Do you have a top ten so to speak of strong suspects?

I think it was JC who took Suzy. It's not a certainty but he's the only really strong suspect I've seen.

I don't think it was anything to do with 'name' suspects like Duffy, Mulchahy, Napper, David Fuller, Michael Sams etc.

Steve Wright knew Suzy so he looked good on paper, but I think multiple police forces (and not just the Met) have had a thorough look at his movements in the mid 80s.

 

[greenwoodlad]

Something else about this case has just struck me ....who was she meeting at lunchtime that was SO important or WHAT was so important that had to do it then and not , say after her 6.00pm appointment .....what I am getting at is what was so important that she had to (make up IMO the kipper appointment) to get out of the office ...if it was something personal..wouldnt she have sorted it later out of work time??

SO, it has to have been work related OR something personal she HAD to do and it couldn't wait

( AL may be involved ...IMO ..in DV's book finding Suzy he stormed out of a meeting and refused to talk about it becoming very angry and wouldn't give DV any information - in fact DV said it was the most bizarre interview he had every conducted in 30+ years .........)

Lets be honest if I had to make up a reason to leave work at lunchtime and it was something in my personal life it would have to be VERY significant (retrieving her diary would be a reason) or if it was family related one of my family members would know about it...

SO something in her personal life that family didn't know about and work didn't know about - or some side deal meeting in the property market or was she been blackmailed somehow and she had to get out an meet this acquaintance ......

 

[greenwoodlad]

I think it was JC who took Suzy. It's not a certainty but he's the only really strong suspect I've seen.

I don't think it was anything to do with 'name' suspects like Duffy, Mulchahy, Napper, David Fuller, Michael Sams etc.

Steve Wright knew Suzy so he looked good on paper, but I think multiple police forces (and not just the Met) have had a thorough look at his movements in the mid 80s.

I don't rule out JC at all but the most recent interviews with EX Sturgis staff in 2020-22 by DV clearly conclude SJL did not take any keys or property details out of the office that lunchtime nor was there any details filled in for that appointment .... so we deduce from that (as does DV) that the appointment was false and made up by SJL to leave the office... it was put in her diary at the very last minute... plus JC had an alibi - he was in Birmingham on that Monday wasn't he with his mother , shopping and having dinner? - I agree not a great alibi.

However on the flip side of this - I strongly feel the evidence of the speeding erratic white fiesta and the left hand drive BMW with the blonde female screaming and pressing the horn of the driver are real valid evidence and shouldn't be dismissed and the 2 or 3 sightings outside 37SR ?? all these cannot be invented IMO

we are all going round in circles with our theories I know!

 

[Ljh21]

I think it was JC who took Suzy. It's not a certainty but he's the only really strong suspect I've seen.

I don't think it was anything to do with 'name' suspects like Duffy, Mulchahy, Napper, David Fuller, Michael Sams etc.

Steve Wright knew Suzy so he looked good on paper, but I think multiple police forces (and not just the Met) have had a thorough look at his movements in the mid 80s.

After napper i would choose a suspect who lives in gowan avenue (if there is one) then jc
I have studied jc as much as is possible and have one location that fits just off the m5 not far from pershore, my son even cleaned up the location image from 1990 and s straight mark in the ground 1.83m you may think it is a stretch but is near “body brook” down a dead end 500m from the road (which could be driven to) and not a house in sight not far from an earlier search in drakes broughton too!

 

[greenwoodlad]

After napper i would choose a suspect who lives in gowan avenue (if there is one) then jc
I have studied jc as much as is possible and have one location that fits just off the m5 not far from pershore, my son even cleaned up the location image from 1990 and s straight mark in the ground 1.83m you may think it is a stretch but is near “body brook” down a dead end 500m from the road (which could be driven to) and not a house in sight not far from an earlier search in drakes broughton too!

Interesting but how would we connect a murderer in Gowan Ave who assassinated Jill Dando in 1999 being involved with SJL in 1986 ( 13 years earlier) Im not saying it's impossible....but we need to back up with evidence don't we? Geographical location of both is very close but what else do we have to connect the 2 ?

 

[greenwoodlad]

I think the wasteland at the back of the POW down to the railway tracks needs searching or has it been already ...?

 

[Ljh21]

Interesting but how would we connect a murderer in Gowan Ave who assassinated Jill Dando in 1999 being involved with SJL in 1986 ( 13 years earlier) Im not saying it's impossible....but we need to back up with evidence don't we? Geographical location of both is very close but what else do we have to connect the 2 ?

I know barry george took the blame at one point so it shows that it is not impossible,i am not sure of his address or how far he was from gowan avenue, i will think out the gowan,shorrolds and wardo today and see what my mind can come up with lol

 

[greenwoodlad]

I know barry george took the blame at one point so it shows that it is not impossible,i am not sure of his address or how far he was from gowan avenue, i will think out the gowan,shorrolds and wardo today and see what my mind can come up with lol

Excellent ...do you agree about the wasteland at the back of the POW being an area of interest?

 

[Kasparthecat1]

I know barry george took the blame at one point so it shows that it is not impossible,i am not sure of his address or how far he was from gowan avenue, i will think out the gowan,shorrolds and wardo today and see what my mind can come up with lol

She didn't go to Wardo, if memory serves.

 

[greenwoodlad]

She didn't go to Wardo, if memory serves.

She didn't..... diary entry was 142 Wardo - bike contract
..... but was the prospective viewer for Waldemar at 6pm ..(from SJL diary her name was Joanna Blight) ever interviewed ? was 142 Wardo or 16 Waldemar ever searched / investigated?

 

[Ljh21]

She didn't..... diary entry was 142 Wardo - bike contract
..... but was the prospective viewer for Waldemar at 6pm ..(from SJL diary her name was Joanna Blight) ever interviewed ? was 142 Wardo or 16 Waldemar ever searched / investigated?

Would like to know what was the “bike contract” and same details of joanna blight strange cancelling on or around the morning

 

[Ljh21]

Just thought, maybe he asked to see langthornethen went back to car taken Under duress i would imagine knife when returning the car that explains handbrake off obviously lack of drving experience was had maybe left his bike nearby

And parking slightly over the garage entrance

 

[greenwoodlad]

"Bike Contract" was something to do with a bike or motorcycle courier - it was suggested the keys for this property were being couriered to Sturgis by the owner or some similar theory

 

[Ljh21]

"Bike Contract" was something to do with a bike or motorcycle courier - it was suggested the keys for this property were being couriered to Sturgis by the owner or some similar theory

 

[greenwoodlad]

And parking slightly over the garage entrance

the Langthorne property sighting was interesting as the witness saw a young smartly dressed young woman in a straw hat ....this is just round the corner from 123 Stevenage Rd and this "young woman in the straw hat" was witnessed 10 mins earlier in Stevenage Rd strolling along happily with a smartly dressed young man in a suit......so it would fit she was showing other properties to this man but non of this was in her diary - maybe she didn't want it to be - maybe a side deal / private agreement in the hope of SJL raking in some private commission or finders fee (on top of her Sturgis commission) for sourcing a property for this mystery man... thoughts??

also could she have driven from langthorne onto FPR ( hence the BW sighting ) with the guy in her fiesta to another property somewhere?

Then the guy holds her at another property or worse and he takes the fiesta back to 123 SR to park it hastily ....we would have to assume he had a car parked closeby or he walked away to where his car was parked somewhere......

But why by 3pm didn't she call the office to say she was ok and showing some other properties ? maybe she couldn't or felt she was trapped by then or if it was something her boss didn't know about ?...

 

[Ljh21]

I wonder if the keys for wardo were accounted for or if sjl went to check on the property in that time, definitely leaves some unanswered questions because if she had popped to that address who knows what dhe may have encountered?
Maybe if that did happen the perp was a neighbour close on wardo

Something else about this case has just struck me ....who was she meeting at lunchtime that was SO important or WHAT was so important that had to do it then and not , say after her 6.00pm appointment .....what I am getting at is what was so important that she had to (make up IMO the kipper appointment) to get out of the office ...if it was something personal..wouldnt she have sorted it later out of work time??

SO, it has to have been work related OR something personal she HAD to do and it couldn't wait

( AL may be involved ...IMO ..in DV's book finding Suzy he stormed out of a meeting and refused to talk about it becoming very angry and wouldn't give DV any information - in fact DV said it was the most bizarre interview he had every conducted in 30+ years .........)

Lets be honest if I had to make up a reason to leave work at lunchtime and it was something in my personal life it would have to be VERY significant (retrieving her diary would be a reason) or if it was family related one of my family members would know about it...

SO something in her personal life that family didn't know about and work didn't know about - or some side deal meeting in the property market or was she been blackmailed somehow and she had to get out an meet this acquaintance ......

jc did not care about leaving bodys around so i would rule him out and if you took the same view of all murderers what are you left with i think napper is a possible because if it was his first murder he may have wanted to hide the first body , then i am left with the pow which is strong as they had her personal items no matter how you look at it , it is an easy out to say they were left on the doorstep after that i am left with al as he was used as a puppet.

 

[Ljh21]

I wonder if the keys for wardo were accounted for or if sjl went to check on the property in that time, definitely leaves some unanswered questions because if she had popped to that address who knows what dhe may have encountered?
Maybe if that did happen the perp was a neighbour close on wardo

jc did not care about leaving bodys around so i would rule him out and if you took the same view of all murderers what are you left with i think napper is a possible because if it was his first murder he may have wanted to hide the first body , then i am left with the pow which is strong as they had her personal items no matter how you look at it , it is an easy out to say they were left on the doorstep after that i am left with al as he was used as a puppet.

If she wad

I wonder if the keys for wardo were accounted for or if sjl went to check on the property in that time, definitely leaves some unanswered questions because if she had popped to that address who knows what dhe may have encountered?
Maybe if that did happen the perp was a neighbour close on wardo

jc did not care about leaving bodys around so i would rule him out and if you took the same view of all murderers what are you left with i think napper is a possible because if it was his first murder he may have wanted to hide the first body , then i am left with the pow which is strong as they had her personal items no matter how you look at it , it is an easy out to say they were left on the doorstep after that i am left with al as he was used as a puppet, if sjl was doing dide deals then it is obvious who would want her removed

 

[Ljh21]

Excellent ...do you agree about the wasteland at the back of the POW being an area of interest?

The wasteland would have been my number one search what with the personal items they had , the placing of the car and purse and all they would have had to do was say “oh hes out the back” , if that is where it happened. It beggars belief that it has not been checked
If we talk only facts
1 sjl had her items taken at the pub or restaurant.
2. She had spoken to pow staff that morning
3 there was an arrangement to collect her personal belongings
For that day and up to the time sjl went missing there was no other thing we can prove happened 100%
The pow should always have been checked inside and out
And to think dv was so close but let this one slip by is unfathomable with all the resources spent on wild goose chases around the country.