UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #7

[Kasparthecat1]

other thoughts - if she disappeared ... the police would have been looking surely at her bank account - but she could have had a second one in a different name - no mobile phone records - no CCTV on every street corner and in every shop - this was 1986......but its possible, many may say unlikely but ......yes possible. Why would she have to or want to disappear - it would have to be big. to put your family through all that ....blackmail ? or ? debt? etc why do people choose to disappear ? Why would she choose to disappear - lets j

More reason to try to check it out then surely.

More reason to try to check it out then surely

I think DL and to a lesser extent PL controlled the narrative from the moment they were told she was missing and directed / contaminated the police inquiry which was incompetent and not thorough IMO - sorry if this sounds disrespectful - but its true and why this case wasn't solved at the time JMO

 

[Kasparthecat1]

More reason to try to check it out then surely.

Maybe it was checked out, and went nowhere. I think it's more likely that it was something DL made up as it supports her narrative, or maybe something sjl mentioned in order to get DL off her back. DV picked up on it as a means of supporting his own narrative that, if sjl was supposed to be playing tennis after work, she therefore had to go to the POW lunchtime (and she also had an appointment with JB at 6pm too, so even more reason perhaps for the POW visit).

 

[Salah11]

Maybe it was checked out, and went nowhere. I think it's more likely that it was something DL made up as it supports her narrative, or maybe something sjl mentioned in order to get DL off her back. DV picked up on it as a means of supporting his own narrative that, if sjl was supposed to be playing tennis after work, she therefore had to go to the POW lunchtime (and she also had an appointment with JB at 6pm too, so even more reason perhaps for the POW visit).

The POW afternoon visit is just fiction. There is nothing at all credible to support it and it makes zero sense logically.

I am amazed because a book suggested it as a version of events that somehow it’s feasible. There is no body in the cellar and she was not murdered there. It doesn’t make any sense and because DV found nothing concrete and had to sell his book he decided to peddle this as a theory.

IMO

 

[Kasparthecat1]

The POW afternoon visit is just fiction. There is nothing at all credible to support it and it makes zero sense logically.

I am amazed because a book suggested it as a version of events that somehow it’s feasible. There is no body in the cellar and she was not murdered there. It doesn’t make any sense and because DV found nothing concrete and had to sell his book he decided to peddle this as a theory.

IMO

I agree. He certainly plays into the drama of it all, doesn't he? I enjoyed the book though, I must admit! And at least he tries to challenge the JC narrative.

 

[lee sumner]

So if we go back to facts sjl was at work that is the last confirmed sighting of her. no one saw her go to her car, no one saw her at an address no one can 100% say they saw her apart from her work colleague.

there are facts which are SL left the office around 1240pm. some believe she went to 37SRD which was written in her diary, and other think she went to another location. her car was found at 10pm that night on stevenage rd, and SL has never been seen again. this is all that is known.

 

[lee sumner]

I like this kind of thinking. I was thinking more that he included SL and 86 on the number plates, to remind himself how smart he was.

He must have spent a fair amount of cash having Shirley Banks' car resprayed and buying new number plates. I wonder where the crude respraying took place, and why he invested so much time and money in a car that could (and did) get him caught.

JC sprayed SB car himself. it was badly done. the SLP numbers on SB Car convinced me he was responsible for snatching SL, but now iam not so sure. he might just be trying to take credit for her disappearance. other killers have done this before.

 

[lee sumner]

Why would she leave the Shorrolds Road diary entry if she was just popping out for sandwiches? She wouldn't have needed an excuse to leave the office for five minutes.

i thought the same.

 

[lee sumner]

I love this! now were getting somewhere! exactly what I have been saying in previous posts ...and you are the first person to have joined me in suggesting that she could have chosen to disappear ....we don't know the reason ...but yes totally......
How to you get murdered in Central London without a trace in broad daylight ...she didn't intend to go far at all - just popped out , no trace , no real evidence apart from hearsay, sightings that cant be verified, no body ....on your second thought - I did look into the Thames theory and many bodies that end up in there - suicides etc are never found and never resurface......

if she was going to stage her own disappearance. she would have waited till she sold her flat on disraeli rd putney. she would need every penny she had to start up some where else in the world. to do it when her property is still unsold makes no sense. that means she must have been abducted.

 

[tes1984]

JC sprayed SB car himself. it was badly done. the SLP numbers on SB Car convinced me he was responsible for snatching SL, but now iam not so sure. he might just be trying to take credit for her disappearance. other killers have done this before.

It would have still cost him a fair amount of cash. For that money he could have just had the car crushed. Why go to all that trouble.. is he planning to try and sell the car at auction?

My suspicion is that he was planning to put a mini for sale newspaper advert out, and use the car as a way of meeting young women. He did the same thing when he advertised for a cleaner and then interviewed thirty female applicants.

 

[Ljh21]

i thought the same.

Asking if anyone knows the average time expected of just an outside viewing?
Obviously if sjl not going to 37 shorrolds it gives you the travel time and maybe a quick chat with someone about something.

 

[tes1984]

Doesn't the 'O/S' mean she is meeting someone outside the property?

Same way you might write 'OPP' if the arrangement was to meet opposite the property?

I'm not sure why anyone would arrange a property viewing as an outside viewing only.

 

[Cherwell]

Doesn't the 'O/S' mean she is meeting someone outside the property?
Same way you might write 'OPP' if the arrangement was to meet opposite the property?
I'm not sure why anyone would arrange a property viewing as an outside viewing only.

Yes, it would be ridiculous.
You could do an "outside viewing" on your own whenever you wanted to. You wouldn't need the estate agent unless you wanted to see inside.

 

[Ljh21]

Asking if anyone knows the average time expected of just an outside viewing?
Obviously if sjl not going to 37 shorrolds it gives you the travel time and maybe a quick chat with someone about something.

So i guess we can say around 10 -15 minutes expected time to be out of the office so if meeting someone it would be probably sitting somewhere in a car, she turned right out of the office so i guess just far enough away from being noticed by work colleagues or if cancelling a tennis appointment or another appointment the place would have to be within 5 minutes drive, so cuts down the area (1 tennis club)
Was sjl involved in any other clubs locally? (That she may have been going to around 6pm)

 

[Ljh21]

So i guess we can say around 10 -15 minutes expected time to be out of the office so if meeting someone it would be probably sitting somewhere in a car, she turned right out of the office so i guess just far enough away from being noticed by work colleagues or if cancelling a tennis appointment or another appointment the place would have to be within 5 minutes drive, so cuts down the area (1 tennis club)
Was sjl involved in any other clubs locally? (That she may have been going to around 6pm)

 

[Ljh21]

One witness who seems to have gone under the radar is bw, (supposedly the last person to see her alive, had prior dealings with her, was in her free time,
I have to add the seat pushed back also leads to thinking of man driving (usually being taller), could have dumped the car worn a straw hat looked the part so to speak, maybe even been more involved to sjl than we think.left the car i guess not to far from her address and was within the distance needed.
Any thoughts?

 

[Ljh21]

Looking through the earlier thread 1 , foxinthebox say’s “ why report the items were found in the pub” well my guess would be if someone was in a situation with sjl, say upstairs or wherever out of view of everyone else, then that meant another member of staff knew the items had been found or stolen whichever but knew they were there, if that was the case then sjl would have been at the pow. I wonder if interviewed separately weather they were each asked when did you first know of the items being found.
Which would the lead me to believe it was cv as kf would be the one to find thr items.

 

[Ljh21]

So i guess we can say around 10 -15 minutes expected time to be out of the office so if meeting someone it would be probably sitting somewhere in a car, she turned right out of the office so i guess just far enough away from being noticed by work colleagues or if cancelling a tennis appointment or another appointment the place would have to be within 5 minutes drive, so cuts down the area (1 tennis club)
Was sjl involved in any other clubs locally? (That she may have been going to around 6pm)

Looking on the map hypothetically cv could have met sjl on bishops avenue it is the only place that is not overlooked and i would think would have the least footfall, i wonder if there was a call box nearby at that time, assuming it was him it would have got him away from the pow , also wonder if he had use of an allotment or looked after one for a regular while away, that would work the whole scenario

 

[greenwoodlad]

Looking on the map hypothetically cv could have met sjl on bishops avenue it is the only place that is not overlooked and i would think would have the least footfall, i wonder if there was a call box nearby at that time, assuming it was him it would have got him away from the pow , also wonder if he had use of an allotment or looked after one for a regular while away, that would work the whole scenario

Sorry just trying to catch up with the latest narrative - CV was a temporary landlord at the POW - managing it for a week at the most ....how are you thinking he would have time to tend an allotment? or are you thinking about the wasteland at the back of the POW that leads down to the railway tracks ? the railway line is the mainline from the South of England into Waterloo.

 

[Ljh21]

Sorry just trying to catch up with the latest narrative - CV was a temporary landlord at the POW - managing it for a week at the most ....how are you thinking he would have time to tend an allotment? or are you thinking about the wasteland at the back of the POW that leads down to the railway tracks ? the railway line is the mainline from the South of England into Waterloo.

Well you have a few areas possible “if”
That narrative
1 - the allotments unlikely but say a local (regular)said could you check on it for me
2 - the waste ground or pub garden as you previously mentioned
3 - further down the embankment at the viaduct

 

[Ljh21]

Sorry just trying to catch up with the latest narrative - CV was a temporary landlord at the POW - managing it for a week at the most ....how are you thinking he would have time to tend an allotment? or are you thinking about the wasteland at the back of the POW that leads down to the railway tracks ? the railway line is the mainline from the South of England into Waterloo.

Oh yes and i thought he had been at the pub for 3 months training, as mentioned in previous posts (do landlords really take on and train up domeone for 3 months just to do a weeks cover? ) that in itself seems odd to me.