UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #7

[Cherwell]

Oh yes and i thought he had been at the pub for 3 months training, as mentioned in previous posts (do landlords really take on and train up domeone for 3 months just to do a weeks cover? ) that in itself seems odd to me.

No, it would be ridiculous. Have a think about that and see if you can work it out.

 

[Ljh21]

No, it would be ridiculous. Have a think about that and see if you can work it out.

So what is the real stoy with cv’s timeline at the pow?

 

[Ljh21]

No, it would be ridiculous. Have a think about that and see if you can work it out.

Fca’s
Comment on thread 1
Yes, the 1988 book said that Suzy last spoke to the acting landlord's wife immediately before she left the office, so after 12 noon when other couple had left. but Clive now says 'she wasn't there, she had nothing to do with it'. Pub may have stayed closed all day.

My question to cv is “had nothing to do with what cv????

 

[greenwoodlad]

Fca’s
Comment on thread 1
Yes, the 1988 book said that Suzy last spoke to the acting landlord's wife immediately before she left the office, so after 12 noon when other couple had left. but Clive now says 'she wasn't there, she had nothing to do with it'. Pub may have stayed closed all day.

My question to cv is “had nothing to do with what cv????

From the information out there it could have been stocktaking that day so there may well have been other individuals there that day ....also the pub I think would have opened for lunch 12-2 and the opened again maybe at 5pm ? I'm guessing ...... from the DV interview with CV in his book Finding Suzy he was clearly anxious about discussing it and that his wife had nothing to do with it ....so why would he and his wife be so touchy about this day and SJL but to be fair lets not forget AL was also refusing to discuss anything and randomly stormed out of DV's interview shouting " You'll never find her"!

If SJL was going to drive back to putney and back I'm guessing 15 mins each way at least in traffic at lunchtime - why didn't she take her handbag?

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

A pub wouldnt need to close to do a stocktake in my experience, so if the Pub was closed all day then it would typically be closed every Monday

 

[Cherwell]

A pub wouldnt need to close to do a stocktake in my experience, so if the Pub was closed all day then it would typically be closed every Monday

It wasn't closed. They were doing a stocktake in the morning before the permanent landlord left, and would almost certainly have finished in time to open for the lunchtime session. We know that it opened at 6 pm for the evening.

 

[Ljh21]

It wasn't closed. They were doing a stocktake in the morning before the permanent landlord left, and would almost certainly have finished in time to open for the lunchtime session. We know that it opened at 6 pm for the evening.

Question
If we believe bw saw sjl and a man in her car @ 2:45 and no evidence was found of anyone other than al and nh then either they were super careful to remove any trace of being in the car or it was al or nh in the car?

 

[Ljh21]

in 1986 getting a conditional discharge for being found to carry a loaded gun, probably the one to take control of sjl.and the mouth of the photofit is spot on to a t.

I know many may think it could not have been napper , wrong mo but i think over time he lost control as we know he could rape earlier on without having to murder and may have felt he had to hide his maybe first murder victim

 

[Ljh21]

Irish cellar man brendan

 

[Ljh21]

From the information out there it could have been stocktaking that day so there may well have been other individuals there that day ....also the pub I think would have opened for lunch 12-2 and the opened again maybe at 5pm ? I'm guessing ...... from the DV interview with CV in his book Finding Suzy he was clearly anxious about discussing it and that his wife had nothing to do with it ....so why would he and his wife be so touchy about this day and SJL but to be fair lets not forget AL was also refusing to discuss anything and randomly stormed out of DV's interview shouting " You'll never find her"!

If SJL was going to drive back to putney and back I'm guessing 15 mins each way at least in traffic at lunchtime - why didn't she take her handbag?

Irish cellar man brendan

So if al and nh in cahoots

1 question, why the monday, was it because leaving the diary at the pow took the focus away from them?
Then i am thinking they needed to prompt the report of the diary,chequebook how did they do that? If i think of how i will message lol

 

[greenwoodlad]

So if al and nh in cahoots

to consider this narrative..and I do see potential in it ....AL has motive ..we assume SJL dumped him and both he and she would likely be furious when he turned up to windsurfing on the Sunday ...there is a lot of speculation about a phonecall that took place that evening between SJL and him where was that from? could it have she have been at POW that night later and this was from a public call box or the pub? they could have rowed and who knows could jealously be a motive if she was seeing other men .....he knew NH from the times they all met up at the wine bars could AL have involved NH somehow in the events of the Monday afternoon ....AL had alibis over lunch and later afternoon in some meeting but by no means for all of the day.... when BW saw SJL in the fiesta on FPR at 2.50pm - could it have been AL or NH in the passenger seat , she appeared calm and focused according to BW so that would fit this narrative .....and both their prints were found all over the fiesta - but never suspected as
1. NH used the fiesta regularly
2 . AL was also in the fiesta regularly
.......so quickly eliminating them from inquiries.

They would both have had time later - early evening to dispose of SJL before the furore of her being missing and the media circus began performing.

this theory may seem a stretch but lets look at the possibility the perpetrator could be in plain sight on that day ...under everyones noses for all to see ..... the most effective Modus Operandii ...IMO

 

[Ljh21]

to consider this narrative..and I do see potential in it ....AL has motive ..we assume SJL dumped him and both he and she would likely be furious when he turned up to windsurfing on the Sunday ...there is a lot of speculation about a phonecall that took place that evening between SJL and him where was that from? could it have she have been at POW that night later and this was from a public call box or the pub? they could have rowed and who knows could jealously be a motive if she was seeing other men .....he knew NH from the times they all met up at the wine bars could AL have involved NH somehow in the events of the Monday afternoon ....AL had alibis over lunch and later afternoon in some meeting but by no means for all of the day.... when BW saw SJL in the fiesta on FPR at 2.50pm - could it have been AL or NH in the passenger seat .....both their prints were found all over the fiesta - but never suspected as
1. NH used the fiesta regularly
2 . AL was also in the fiesta regularly
.......so quickly eliminating them from inquiries.

They would both have had time later - early evening to dispose of SJL before the furore of her being missing and the media circus began performing.

this theory may seem a stretch but lets look at the possibility the perpetrator could be in plain sight on that day ...under everyones noses for all to see ..... the most effective Modus Operandii ...IMO

Everything works from moving cars , dl calling the pub ( could well have ) all she has to be told is sjl phoned the pow that morning, nh already stated he had been in her car that morning so that works, could have even met up and said mg or the boss wants us to go to wherever (west on the fulham palace road and the 2:45 works) she has no phone so cannot call the office and confirm ok with mg , sjl just has to be kept occupied believing nh spiel, so yes greenwoodlad i agree.

 

[Ljh21]

Everything works from moving cars , dl calling the pub ( could well have ) all she has to be told is sjl phoned the pow that morning, nh already stated he had been in her car that morning so that works, could have even met up and said mg or the boss wants us to go to wherever (west on the fulham palace road and the 2:45 works) she has no phone so cannot call the office and confirm ok with mg , sjl just has to be kept occupied believing nh spiel, so yes greenwoodlad i agree.

Also questionable is the witness bw taking a week for a friend to come forward? Her date could well be wrong or did she not see the news for a week?

 

[Ljh21]

to consider this narrative..and I do see potential in it ....AL has motive ..we assume SJL dumped him and both he and she would likely be furious when he turned up to windsurfing on the Sunday ...there is a lot of speculation about a phonecall that took place that evening between SJL and him where was that from? could it have she have been at POW that night later and this was from a public call box or the pub? they could have rowed and who knows could jealously be a motive if she was seeing other men .....he knew NH from the times they all met up at the wine bars could AL have involved NH somehow in the events of the Monday afternoon ....AL had alibis over lunch and later afternoon in some meeting but by no means for all of the day.... when BW saw SJL in the fiesta on FPR at 2.50pm - could it have been AL or NH in the passenger seat , she appeared calm and focused according to BW so that would fit this narrative .....and both their prints were found all over the fiesta - but never suspected as
1. NH used the fiesta regularly
2 . AL was also in the fiesta regularly
.......so quickly eliminating them from inquiries.

They would both have had time later - early evening to dispose of SJL before the furore of her being missing and the media circus began performing.

this theory may seem a stretch but lets look at the possibility the perpetrator could be in plain sight on that day ...under everyones noses for all to see ..... the most effective Modus Operandii ...IMO

What was his alibi @12noon

 

[Ljh21]

What was his alibi @12noon

What area did they live?

 

[greenwoodlad]

Also questionable is the witness bw taking a week for a friend to come forward? Her date could well be wrong or did she not see the news for a week?

wasn't aware she took a week to come forward ...interesting.

 

[greenwoodlad]

What area did they live?

AL - Hammersmith I think from the information in the public domain - FPR leads from Fulham into Hammersmith incidentally.

 

[greenwoodlad]

What was his alibi @12noon

Lunch with a client

 

[Cherwell]

wasn't aware she took a week to come forward ...interesting.

I'm not sure that she did. It may have taken the police a week to follow it up.

 

[Kasparthecat1]

I'm not sure that she did. It may have taken the police a week to follow

Lunch with a client

I don't feel AL had anything to do with things really...but yet..I find his story on the days before the disappearance odd nonetheless. So he reckons the items were lost or stolen on the Friday evening at Mossops? How do
items lost or stolen turn up in the exact same place, pretty much, as they went missing? How does one "lose" something as apparently important as a personal diary full of contacts?

So AL was not at Saturday's party in Dorking and sjl is photographed on someone else's knee. He goes to Worthing apart from Sjl and they return home separately. Yet according to him he has a call with sjl at 10pm yet he's had all day to speak to her. It looks as though he's been dumped - was this a final, confirmatory call? The only people who can corroborate this are AL and sjl herself. Yet a few days later he's being trotted out as sjl's "boyfriend" by the Lamplughs at that press conference. Is he dumped, or is he not?