UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #7

[lee sumner]

I kind of admire the Lamplughs for setting it up, but I don't think anything has changed. I gave up one recent job because I was threatened by a customer when alone with him. The organisation blamed me and refused to take any responsibility. I was not able to even leave an honest report of the incident on the person's file for the attention of my colleagues.

DL was accused by some of enjoying the attention of the media rather too much. The Lamplugh Trust gave her a platform.

DL wanted to be an actress when she was younger. that might explain why she was accused of loving media attention.

 

[lee sumner]

I kind of admire the Lamplughs for setting it up, but I don't think anything has changed. I gave up one recent job because I was threatened by a customer when alone with him. The organisation blamed me and refused to take any responsibility. I was not able to even leave an honest report of the incident on the person's file for the attention of my colleagues.

DL was accused by some of enjoying the attention of the media rather too much. The Lamplugh Trust gave her a platform.

i cant believe you was threatened by a customer when alone with him, then the company you worked for blamed you. its bad enough getting a threat from a client, then getting the blame. its the company who are to blame as well as the client.

 

[lee sumner]

You're probably right, but if it wasn't him then who was it?

How come there doesn't seem to be any forensic evidence from twenty attacks?

No fingerprints, no rape kits etc. They don't seem to even know the offender's blood group. Have the police lost the evidence, or for some reason just given up on such a prolific offender? Why hasn't there been a modern appeal or a case review?

Also if we stick to facts we chose to believe the bf saying she lost her items but if not true then that leaves the bf only who could place her items and as she spoke nothing of them missing over the whole weekend this would seem strange as she had contact with close friends and family and would only leave sunday as the day to leave her items outside the pub

SL never mentioned losing her belongings to her mother DL. she called at her parents the night before on the sunday, and iam sure she would have told DL she had lost her belongings. its the kind of thing you would mention to you parents in conversation. we have all misplaced items and mentioned losing stuff to our friends and family. i dont think SL knew she had lost her belongings until the monday when she arrived at work.

 

[lee sumner]

Yes, exactly. Cannan had appalling impulse control (a hallmark of many criminals) and committed crimes on impulse leaving a trail behind him. I don't think he was a brilliant criminal mastermind strategist, just a psychopath with poor impulse control. Antisocial personality disorder in the extreme.

I mean in some ways this might fit with abducting someone in broad daylight when they were due back at work, if the initial meeting was not planned just as a meeting and not as the start of an abduction. It's a stupid and reckless thing to do and could have been based on Cannan losing his rag, but he was fresh out of his hostel so if he had no place to take her to...how did he conceal her? We are back to the mystery of why there was no evidence or trace of him. Perhaps the Met were just that bad.

excellent point you make. JC was fresh out the scrubs, and would need a place to take her. SIO, J dickie believes JC rented a room somewhere in london after he was released from the scrubs on friday 25th july, 1986, but detective J dickie does not know where this room is located. so if JC did set himself up in london then where.

 

[DCROBBO]

excellent point you make. JC was fresh out the scrubs, and would need a place to take her. SIO, J dickie believes JC rented a room somewhere in london after he was released from the scrubs on friday 25th july, 1986, but detective J dickie does not know where this room is located. so if JC did set himself up in london then where.

He couldn’t account for his movements on July 28, which undermines his denial, plus he’s denied most of his crimes despite overwhelming evidence

 

[Eastend Eagle]

SL never mentioned losing her belongings to her mother DL. she called at her parents the night before on the sunday, and iam sure she would have told DL she had lost her belongings. its the kind of thing you would mention to you parents in conversation. we have all misplaced items and mentioned losing stuff to our friends and family. i dont think SL knew she had lost her belongings until the monday when she arrived at work.

Yeh I think you're right, I think they were lifted by someone on the Sunday JMO/MOO

 

[lee sumner]

He couldn’t account for his movements on July 28, which undermines his denial, plus he’s denied most of his crimes despite overwhelming evidence

mind games. even if went straight to live with his mum in sutton coldfield after being released from the scrubs, he could still give the impression he was the mysterious mr kipper when interviewed by the lamplugh team.

 

[lee sumner]

yes iv'e read that the house keys for 37SR never left the office - Suzy didn't take the house keys as they have a big yellow fob and the manager gave (the only set) to the police to do a property search the day after her disappearance so how could Suzy have taken the keys to show kipper the property and then got them back into the office ? There was only one set.

SL took the keys to 37SRS on the large key fob. watch the crimewatch episode from oct, 1986. you will see SIO, nick carter explain this.

 

[su5ie]

I always wanted more details re ts and pss . They have always piqued my interest for a number of reasons . Suzy was supposed to meet pss for lunch that day according to pss but if suzy didn't have a specific lunch time and couldn't get out of work the previous week for DLs birthday lunch how did she plan on meeting pss other than a fake entry in her work diary ?

If suzy was planning of going into business with pss and ts and was pulling or had pulled out and they were depending on her financial input to save them from bankruptcy. Which TS filed for 8 days later . Were they angry enough to harm suzy

If suzys house was listed for sale and it seems it was as AS discusses this where was suzy going to live . Was the money from the sale going towards a new house or to help set up this business ?

Does the information about suzy seeing a married man only come from pss ?

I always wondered was a woman and man involved in suzys disappearance. It might explain why suzy didn't make any effort to reapply lipstick or brush her hair before either showing up for a precieved viewing or meeting a love interest such as speculated with jc

I wasn't aware the property next door to suzy was being renovated for flats and the contractors was a Cypriot and that Cyprus sounded suspiciously like kipper abet in a different language. Was this investigated ?

The problem with that Fox / Wilson effort, if it's the one I recall, is that it assumes its own conclusion. Let's assume it was JC, here's a bit of forensic geography, oo look, that proves it was JC.

There are a number of details and people I'd like to think were properly looked into at the time, or have been since. In no particular order:

1/ TS / PSS. Everything we think we know about these two came from PSS, none of it is corroborated especially the stuff about blind dates with Arab princes, PSS later accused TS of being scary, SJL was said to have told her sister (or was it a friend?) she was seeing a married man with kids; TS was a married man with kids, and one under financial stress - he went bankrupt 8 days later.

2/ The house next to SJL's was being done up into flats by a Cypriot property developer. The Greek for Cyprus is Kiprus. Kiprianou's a common name there. Mr who, again?

 

[Cherwell]

Suzy was supposed to meet pss for lunch that day according to pss but if suzy didn't have a specific lunch time and couldn't get out of work the previous week for DLs birthday lunch how did she plan on meeting pss other than a fake entry in her work diary ?

The birthday lunch would have been an extended lunch and probably not near the Sturgis office. It was the extra time that was the problem. Meeting for a shorter lunch break somewhere near the office would have been a different matter.

 

[lee sumner]

Yeh I think you're right, I think they were lifted by someone on the Sunday JMO/MOO

I always wanted more details re ts and pss . They have always piqued my interest for a number of reasons . Suzy was supposed to meet pss for lunch that day according to pss but if suzy didn't have a specific lunch time and couldn't get out of work the previous week for DLs birthday lunch how did she plan on meeting pss other than a fake entry in her work diary ?

If suzy was planning of going into business with pss and ts and was pulling or had pulled out and they were depending on her financial input to save them from bankruptcy. Which TS filed for 8 days later . Were they angry enough to harm suzy

If suzys house was listed for sale and it seems it was as AS discusses this where was suzy going to live . Was the money from the sale going towards a new house or to help set up this business ?

Does the information about suzy seeing a married man only come from pss ?

I always wondered was a woman and man involved in suzys disappearance. It might explain why suzy didn't make any effort to reapply lipstick or brush her hair before either showing up for a precieved viewing or meeting a love interest such as speculated with jc

I wasn't aware the property next door to suzy was being renovated for flats and the contractors was a Cypriot and that Cyprus sounded suspiciously like kipper abet in a different language. Was this investigated ?

re, PSS. i was confused by her statement. if SL was meeting PSS for lunch. she would just meet her at lunch time.

 

[lee sumner]

re, PSS. i was confused by her statement. if SL was meeting PSS for lunch. she would just meet her at lunch time.

as we know SL was selling her flat. she was asking for around 74 grand, but in AS book, it does not say anything about SL future living arrangements. where was she planning on living when she sold her flat. i cant see her moving back in with her parents, but i could be wrong. was she going to downsize and buy a smaller flat in fulham to be closer to work. SL must have discussed this with someone. just curious.

 

[Kasparthecat1]

Quite the mystery! I can't recall reading anywhere why she was intending to move, only that she had been trying to sell her flat (unsuccessfully, it seems). I wonder if she was hoping to make a quick profit, to move elsewhere perhaps, or even to release some equity. I doubt she was intending to downsize - I'm guessing the flat must've been quite small - it didn't have a washing machine, as I recall.

Perhaps the hoped-for sale was something to do with the proposed TS/PSS deal, or perhaps part of a business deal with AN Other.

 

[lee sumner]

Quite the mystery! I can't recall reading anywhere why she was intending to move, only that she had been trying to sell her flat (unsuccessfully, it seems). I wonder if she was hoping to make a quick profit, to move elsewhere perhaps, or even to release some equity. I doubt she was intending to downsize - I'm guessing the flat must've been quite small - it didn't have a washing machine, as I recall.

Perhaps the hoped-for sale was something to do with the proposed TS/PSS deal, or perhaps part of a business deal with AN Other.

SL flat has increased in value over the years. i dont understand why she was selling it. it would be smarter to carry on renting a room like she did to NB. why was she in such a hurry to sell up.

 

[lee sumner]

SL flat has increased in value over the years. i dont understand why she was selling it. it would be smarter to carry on renting a room like she did to NB. why was she in such a hurry to sell up.

the flat is actually a decent size. 2 bedroom flat on the top floor, and its valued at around 1 million today. it came up on the market about 4 yrs ago, so i was able to see how it now looks, layout, etc. i even have a photo of what was once SL bedroom. NB would have rented the smaller room.

 

[su5ie]

the flat is actually a decent size. 2 bedroom flat on the top floor, and its valued at around 1 million today. it came up on the market about 4 yrs ago, so i was able to see how it now looks, layout, etc. i even have a photo of what was once SL bedroom. NB would have rented the smaller room.

I have always had a curiosity as to where suzy was going to live after the sale and IF she had it up for sale because she needed money for either the business venture with pss and ts and would live in a flat above this said business ,AS does mention that suzy didn't like the idea that she would be required to do most of the work so in effect suzy would be working for the three of them to make money bit of a low deal from so called best friend . So maybe if she was going to be living there she would have felt she could never leave work moo

The other alternative I suppose is suzy wanted to upgrade area or size of home .

She was a social climber and in many ways this is a positive attribute as she wanted to better her self and her situation

But I can't help but feel the delay in selling her flat was causing suzy stress for a reason not divulged in the media or prehaps unknown to anyone . She spoke to PL about the pressure of trying to sell and was considering changing her mind AFAICR

I think whatever information that was held back in the past should be released . It may or not help but protecting suzys privacy at this late stage is not doing any justice in finding her .if the public assume there is nothing more to suzys disappearance than John Cannan . She will never be found as people will just think there is just not enough evidence to convict him .( Obviously he is dead now )

Sometimes just a snippet of new information is enough to nail a new suspect whom has alluded suspicion all along . We see it all the time in WS . You can't complete a puzzle without having all the pieces of the jigsaw .

I also feel a lot of the info out there is either up for misinterpretation like the wiki page where it states a potential match of suzys dna was found in cannans car or information is omitted from books ,documentaries and media articles in order to show suzy with a nun like persona . It's not 1986 any more . Judgements about women's lifestyle have almost been eradicated from modern society. If something in suzys life contributed to putting her in the way of danger I think it useful that the public would know .

 

[Kasparthecat1]

I have always had a curiosity as to where suzy was going to live after the sale and IF she had it up for sale because she needed money for either the business venture with pss and ts and would live in a flat above this said business ,AS does mention that suzy didn't like the idea that she would be required to do most of the work so in effect suzy would be working for the three of them to make money bit of a low deal from so called best friend . So maybe if she was going to be living there she would have felt she could never leave work moo

The other alternative I suppose is suzy wanted to upgrade area or size of home .

She was a social climber and in many ways this is a positive attribute as she wanted to better her self and her situation

But I can't help but feel the delay in selling her flat was causing suzy stress for a reason not divulged in the media or prehaps unknown to anyone . She spoke to PL about the pressure of trying to sell and was considering changing her mind AFAICR

I think whatever information that was held back in the past should be released . It may or not help but protecting suzys privacy at this late stage is not doing any justice in finding her .if the public assume there is nothing more to suzys disappearance than John Cannan . She will never be found as people will just think there is just not enough evidence to convict him .( Obviously he is dead now )

Sometimes just a snippet of new information is enough to nail a new suspect whom has alluded suspicion all along . We see it all the time in WS . You can't complete a puzzle without having all the pieces of the jigsaw .

I also feel a lot of the info out there is either up for misinterpretation like the wiki page where it states a potential match of suzys dna was found in cannans car or information is omitted from books ,documentaries and media articles in order to show suzy with a nun like persona . It's not 1986 any more . Judgements about women's lifestyle have almost been eradicated from modern society. If something in suzys life contributed to putting her in the way of danger I think it useful that the public would know .

I'm reading AS again. I was always under the impression that the business deal with PSS and TS required sjl to put up some money herself. But that appears not to be the case? I get the impression now that the couple would finance the business and Sjl would work in it for 10% of the profits. I'm not sure I've misread or misunderstood and not sure if DV or any other sources have elaborated. AS does not always provide a great deal of info, and accounts vary between sources, which, together with conflicting accounts in the media, makes for a good deal of confusion.

 

[Kasparthecat1]

I have always had a curiosity as to where suzy was going to live after the sale and IF she had it up for sale because she needed money for either the business venture with pss and ts and would live in a flat above this said business ,AS does mention that suzy didn't like the idea that she would be required to do most of the work so in effect suzy would be working for the three of them to make money bit of a low deal from so called best friend . So maybe if she was going to be living there she would have felt she could never leave work moo

The other alternative I suppose is suzy wanted to upgrade area or size of home .

She was a social climber and in many ways this is a positive attribute as she wanted to better her self and her situation

But I can't help but feel the delay in selling her flat was causing suzy stress for a reason not divulged in the media or prehaps unknown to anyone . She spoke to PL about the pressure of trying to sell and was considering changing her mind AFAICR

I think whatever information that was held back in the past should be released . It may or not help but protecting suzys privacy at this late stage is not doing any justice in finding her .if the public assume there is nothing more to suzys disappearance than John Cannan . She will never be found as people will just think there is just not enough evidence to convict him .( Obviously he is dead now )

Sometimes just a snippet of new information is enough to nail a new suspect whom has alluded suspicion all along . We see it all the time in WS . You can't complete a puzzle without having all the pieces of the jigsaw .

I also feel a lot of the info out there is either up for misinterpretation like the wiki page where it states a potential match of suzys dna was found in cannans car or information is omitted from books ,documentaries and media articles in order to show suzy with a nun like persona . It's not 1986 any more . Judgements about women's lifestyle have almost been eradicated from modern society. If something in suzys life contributed to putting her in the way of danger I think it useful that the public would know .

I'm reading AS again. I was always under the impression that the business deal with PSS and TS required sjl to put up some money herself. But that appears not to be the case? I get the impression now that the couple would finance the business and Sjl would work in it for 10% of the profits. I'm not sure I've misread or misunderstood and not sure if DV or any other sources have elaborated. AS does not always provide a great deal of info, and accounts vary between sources, which, together with conflicting accounts in the media, makes for a good deal of confusion

 

[Cherwell]

It's not 1986 any more . Judgements about women's lifestyle have almost been eradicated from modern society. If something in suzys life contributed to putting her in the way of danger I think it useful that the public would know .

Indeed. The taboo on so-called "victim blaming" is not helpful, in more than one context. Sometimes people's actions contribute to their misfortunes, but we are not allowed to say that now.

 

[su5ie]

Indeed. The taboo on so-called "victim blaming" is not helpful, in more than one context. Sometimes people's actions contribute to their misfortunes, but we are not allowed to say that now.

I agree although I would say ,
its more the way of
interacting that may bring victims in contact with nefarious types . Sometimes over friendliness and personality type can attract the wrong kind of person . Is this victim blaming I don't think so . I feel it would fall under the category of victim profiling .

If we have a submissive introverted woman for example is she more likely to bring out the negative traits of a dominant man than say a dominant confident woman who will either walk away at first sign of trouble or will their combined dominance make them a power couple . Does the personality type create or attract the monster ?

Did suzy's lifestyle and need to live a monetary rich life with a certain social standing and her vocal need to meet a rich successful businessman attract the wrong type .Was it a case of any man will do as long as he ticks the criteria ? Did she come across as needy in this regard ? Certain types of man ( I'm only using male gender as we know this was suzys preferred mate ) can " smell " or "read " this neediness a mile off .

I think it's time any information that was held back to protect Suzy’s modesty should be revealed. If AS thought it important enough at the time to be wanting to add it to his book . But due to family feeling at the time it would show suzy in a bad light . Should it not be released now in case it is a relevant part of the jigsaw needed to jog someone's memory. We hear all the time loyalties change and it can bring about new information. Was the married man she was seeing a husband of a friend or previous client ?


On another note I read in an old newspaper article recently and its probably been discussed in early threads but I haven't seen it. Suzy was known to meet up with Steve wright regularly. His wife swears he was on shore leave the day suzy went missing. He moved into bar work after the QE11 cruise ship . Did he prehaps meet suzy in the pow pub or his pub in Brixton on the Sunday her diaries went missing. Could he have been looking for her address if he didn't know it ? Did she arrange to meet him as he told her he had them on the morning she went missing before they were left on the step outside ? Had she no way of contacting him to inform him that they were found at the POW so had to keep the prearranged meeting . Was this the couple reported arguing as suzy was berating him for lying / taking her diary ? These are just opinions of mine and questions that came up for me after reading the article.

His alibi of working on the ship that day seems clear cut , but is it not strange that a known killer of women was good friends with suzy and we are led to believe she was dating another known killer and abuser of women John cannan to be precise. If we take my above hypothesis on personality type attracting monsters . Does this apply then to suzy ?

Police investigate 'link' between Wright and Suzy Lamplugh

Detectives investigate possible connections between 1986 disappearance of estate agent and Suffolk serial killer Steve Wright

www.theguardian.com