UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #7

[tes1984]

I think the "3 murders in 1986" theory is far fetched, and the numberplate was random.

I would love to see which other murders from 1986 the ex cop is alluding to..

My personal suspicion is that JC only risked keeping the Mini because he was planning to use it to lure in a potential future victim.

The last digit in the registration is an S. That would make Shirley's car seem newer than it actually was to a potential buyer. In the UK, registrations changed each year A,B,C,D and so on (IIRC excluding I,O,Q and possibly a few others).

JMO but I reckon JC was planning for 30 young women to come round and look at the Mini he had for sale. He got 30 women to call round when he advertised for a female cleaner in Clifton.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I would love to see which other murders from 1986 the ex cop is alluding to..

My personal suspicion is that JC only risked keeping the Mini because he was planning to use it to lure in a potential future victim.

The last digit in the registration is an S. That would make Shirley's car seem newer than it actually was to a potential buyer. In the UK, registrations changed each year A,B,C,D and so on (IIRC excluding I,O,Q and possibly a few others).

JMO but I reckon JC was planning for 30 young women to come round and look at the Mini he had for sale. He got 30 women to call round when he advertised for a female cleaner in Clifton.

My suspicion, re JC and the car is he's probably wired quite differently than anyone on this forum, really wasn't affected by anxiety or paranoia and didn't think anyone was looking at him.
So his cover up (of the car) was fairly minimal / negligible. It's probably an unhappy coincidence the SLP thing.

I imagine he'd appreciate having a 'free' vehicle and was planning to utilise it for handy things and then pass it off for profit. If he also had a plan to use it to lure women, that works too. I wonder how very many women he raped, robbed, or violated in so many ways who never reported anything at all because they wouldn't want to go to the police. He probably felt quite chipper and powerful, plus was avenging or discharging his resentments against the unfair world of his alleged childhood abuse and it all made total sense to him.

If he did abduct and murder SJL, it was probably such a badly managed and sloppy affair that it's been an act of sheer luck (or police failings and maybe even a cover up) he never got found out. JMO MOO

 

[Eastend Eagle]

Has anyone considered that SJL may have been sex trafficked?
Wikipedia states that Jeffrey Epstein travelled to and from the UK in the mid to late 80s using a fake passport, a clear indicator of criminal intent. Could Epstein have been the person SJL spoke of leaning unfairly on her?

 

[lee sumner]

Has anyone considered that SJL may have been sex trafficked?
Wikipedia states that Jeffrey Epstein travelled to and from the UK in the mid to late 80s using a fake passport, a clear indicator of criminal intent. Could Epstein have been the person SJL spoke of leaning unfairly on her?

SJL was 25. to old for sex trafficked. a predator like epstein would go for a 16 yr old teen. they tend to go for teenages.

 

[lee sumner]

I hadn't considered the possibility of someone else returning to the car to remove property particulars and perhaps the key, if indeed she'd taken it with her. Perhaps they were on the passenger seat. That someone could well have missed the purse, tucked away in the map pocket.

I'm also of the opinion that Suzy drove herself to Stevenage Road and was alone.

i think SL put her purse in the door map pocket, but she must have taken the keys and paperwork with her, or mr kipper took these items.

 

[Klclevi]

i think SL put her purse in the door map pocket, but she must have taken the keys and paperwork with her, or mr kipper took these items.

Can I ask how far Bishops park is from the car being parked in Stevenage Road? There seems to be a large pond or something (looking at G maps) in Bishops Park was this there in 86?
I still believe there is something in the canal story - why would the poor man who has now passed away go to such lengths to try and raise it with the police . let alone confirm his sighting of him in person by going to the court to see JC in person?

 

[Klclevi]

There was also the matter of two bunches of flowers - one delivered to the Sturgis branch and one to Suzy's flat, both for Suzy, but both anonymous, not long before she disappeared.

Suzy Lamplugh - And Some Personal Recollections Of The Summer of 1986...

I 'v e just read The Suzy Lamplugh Story by Andrew Stephen - and what a fascinating read it was...

www.1980sactual.com

Was this looked into ? Surely that would have appeared in the AS book (unless I have missed it)

 

[lee sumner]

Can I ask how far Bishops park is from the car being parked in Stevenage Road? There seems to be a large pond or something (looking at G maps) in Bishops Park was this there in 86?
I still believe there is something in the canal story - why would the poor man who has now passed away go to such lengths to try and raise it with the police . let alone confirm his sighting of him in person by going to the court to see JC in person?

the whole canal was searched back in 2014 when teenager alice gross went missing. her killer dumped her body in the canal weighted down with bricks. if SL was there she would have been found.

 

[lee sumner]

There was also the matter of two bunches of flowers - one delivered to the Sturgis branch and one to Suzy's flat, both for Suzy, but both anonymous, not long before she disappeared.

Suzy Lamplugh - And Some Personal Recollections Of The Summer of 1986...

I 'v e just read The Suzy Lamplugh Story by Andrew Stephen - and what a fascinating read it was...

www.1980sactual.com

Was this looked into ? Surely that would have appeared in the AS book (unless I have missed it)

i would love the know more details about the mystery flowers sent to SL. first to her office then her flat. like when were they sent.

 

[Klclevi]

i would love the know more details about the mystery flowers sent to SL. first to her office then her flat. like when were they sent.

Same, it seems a little odd there seems to be nothing on this. I cannot even recall if DV raised it when he interviewed MG and NB in his book. I am going to go back and check

 

[lee sumner]

Same, it seems a little odd there seems to be nothing on this. I cannot even recall if DV raised it when he interviewed MG and NB in his book. I am going to go back and check

DV would not have mentioned the mystery flowers because it does not fit his theory.

 

[Klclevi]

DV would not have mentioned the mystery flowers because it does not fit his theory.

Yes you are right. I did not even think of that.

 

[lee sumner]

Yes you are right. I did not even think of that.

i would like to know what SL reaction was when the mystery flowers arrived at her office then her flat.

 

[Terryb808]

the whole canal was searched back in 2014 when teenager alice gross went missing. her killer dumped her body in the canal weighted down with bricks. if SL was there she would have been found.

Gallows Bridge is about a mile away from where Alice’s body was found. As you say this was in 2014 a considerable time after the lorry drivers sighting.
If we theorised that JC was indeed responsible and used a canvas bag stolen from the props company he worked at, plus that he weighted the bag down, it’s unlikely there’d be anything left to find.
The canal is dredged every 5 years or so, therefore plenty of potential disturbance without maybe dragging up the remains of the canvas bag.
On this basis I’m of the opinion that Jim D is right this time.

 

[RichardKimble]

Gallows Bridge is about a mile away from where Alice’s body was found. As you say this was in 2014 a considerable time after the lorry drivers sighting.
If we theorised that JC was indeed responsible and used a canvas bag stolen from the props company he worked at, plus that he weighted the bag down, it’s unlikely there’d be anything left to find.
The canal is dredged every 5 years or so, therefore plenty of potential disturbance without maybe dragging up the remains of the canvas bag.
On this basis I’m of the opinion that Jim D is right this time.

I guess if the dredging was just done prior to a possible disposal then it'll be another 5 or so yrs before disturbance, plenty of time for decomposing and canvass to disintegrate.

 

[Klclevi]

I guess if the dredging was just done prior to a possible disposal then it'll be another 5 or so yrs before disturbance, plenty of time for decomposing and canvass to disintegrate.

Honestly if that is the case that is so tragic- it really is. What a stuff up.

 

[RichardKimble]

Honestly if that is the case that is so tragic- it really is. What a stuff up.

If it was JC then he was either lucky or it was well planned, we know he and SJL couldn't be placed together, so no witness, the body never recovered, so no deposition site, so if it was JC he took it to his grave.

 

[Klclevi]

If it was JC then he was either lucky or it was well planned, we know he and SJL couldn't be placed together, so no witness, the body never recovered, so no deposition site, so if it was JC he took it to his grave.

The poor girl. So I wanted to ask, (and I think I read this in one of Terryb808s previous posts that dredgings were just dumped at the side of the canal?). Her bones would not have distintegrated (i dont think?). Is that just another seriously unfortunate circumstance that they dredged that canal and completely missed her .

I hope in my lifetime something comes to light (I am 52 and have followed this case from Aus for many years)

 

[lee sumner]

Gallows Bridge is about a mile away from where Alice’s body was found. As you say this was in 2014 a considerable time after the lorry drivers sighting.
If we theorised that JC was indeed responsible and used a canvas bag stolen from the props company he worked at, plus that he weighted the bag down, it’s unlikely there’d be anything left to find.
The canal is dredged every 5 years or so, therefore plenty of potential disturbance without maybe dragging up the remains of the canvas bag.
On this basis I’m of the opinion that Jim D is right this time.

i dont buy it. if SL remains were there they would be found. bones dont vanish after years in water. they would have noticed a large canvas bag if it was there. the witness who said he seen JC is dead. to me its just more BS from people who think they have vital info. its not plausible the canal theory, just like DV who thinks SL is buried in the POW pub.

 

[lee sumner]

If it was JC then he was either lucky or it was well planned, we know he and SJL couldn't be placed together, so no witness, the body never recovered, so no deposition site, so if it was JC he took it to his grave.

iam starting to think JC is not responsible for snatching SL. he just wants to be the infamous mr kipper.