UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #8

[Lady Stoddart-West]

One theory then (obviously with no evidence) - she'd arranged to meet someone at the pub or told someone she was going there. KH said he gave the police the number that the caller gave but they claimed to not have it. It's definitely weird. But lying about giving the police something potentially crucial on a missing persons case would be a very bizarre thing to do. What for?

I tend to think the Met just lost it and perhaps didn't think it was important because it was a woman's name and at a venue where the investigation didn't think SL had gone.

The Met thought it was incredibly important for some reason. Interesting…

 

[lee sumner]

She might have needed her diary ASAP to get numbers she needed to call that day - for social reasons maybe but also business contacts perhaps if she was involved in a deal. Though unclear if she could make personal calls from her work landline.

The importance of the diary - the equivalent to a smartphone really - to her life is why I think if she'd lost it on the Friday, the people she was around all that weekend would have heard about it. Did she really not call anyone that weekend? Surely she'd have mentioned it to her mum. She'd have been anxious about it. Wondering where she left it. Calling Mossops. The pub if they really went there which AL later denied. Calling AL asking if he'd picked it up. He'd have known about it surely as she was with him on the Friday.

SL did not want her diary back ASAP, because if she did she would have arranged pick up earlier, not 6pm. occams principle way of thinking. keep it simple. only DV thinks she wanted her items back ASAP, but DV is just coming up with a nutty theory, and people are buying into it. the evidence shows pick up time was 6pm. after she finished work she was getting her items back as she lived around the corner on disreali rd.

 

[lee sumner]

One theory then (obviously with no evidence) - she'd arranged to meet someone at the pub or told someone she was going there. KH said he gave the police the number that the caller gave but they claimed to not have it. It's definitely weird. But lying about giving the police something potentially crucial on a missing persons case would be a very bizarre thing to do. What for?

I tend to think the Met just lost it and perhaps didn't think it was important because it was a woman's name and at a venue where the investigation didn't think SL had gone.

as for the mystery call from sarah. KH made up this story 1 year later. its obvious he is telling lies. attention seeking.

 

[lee sumner]

as for the mystery call from sarah. KH made up this story 1 year later. its obvious he is telling lies. attention seeking.

if SL was calling for help. she would hardly call the POW. she would call the cops or a family member, not some nutty landlord she does not even know.

 

[lee sumner]

Well, I am not looking at DV in isolation & we can agree he interviewed CV at least - this is very detailed in his book . The police agree with a great deal of what DV has said…if not the ‘cellar’ theory…

AS gives details re: 6pm apt etc.

It’s my view that SL did invent ‘Kipper’ to get out at lunchtime to get her things in part & the final call she took ‘half sitting, half standing’ & perhaps the loss of expected commission NH took, influenced what happened next & fateful decisions made.

why would she invent mr kipper name to get out of the office when at 1pm its her lunch break. if she was going anywhere she could go then. DV also says SL did not take the keys to 37/SR, but to say this is an insult to the late detective carter who was SIO in charge of the investigation. as if a SIO like carter would miss something like that. no way. we can agree to disagree, but i think a mystery man set up the viewing as mr kipper and i also think she went to 37/SR.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

SL did not want her diary back ASAP, because if she did she would have arranged pick up earlier, not 6pm. occams principle way of thinking. keep it simple. only DV thinks she wanted her items back ASAP, but DV is just coming up with a nutty theory, and people are buying into it. the evidence shows pick up time was 6pm. after she finished work she was getting her items back as she lived around the corner on disreali rd.

I thought something off re: 6pm - for reasons stated on thread - for many years prior to DV. Also, that there was an urgency & tension around lost belongings - source AS & Brookner etc - it’s very plausible & understandable, IMO, she’d want & need them back earlier rather than later.

I agree with you that the answer to this mystery isn’t complex. It’s either JC or it’s someone almost hiding in plain sight potentially. DL herself said as the person buying the property with SL, involved in this ‘scheme’ never came forward, wasn’t identified & must likely be linked to her disappearance. Their contact details or a reference to them must have been somewhere.

 

[lee sumner]

LG (?) I am talking about AL - ah, think we mean same. They were together for a year or so, went to Paris, skiing etc, horse trials, balls so on paper at least he/they were serious. He knew her family & stepped up as spokesperson almost immediately for family. One of earliest interviews from him. They were friends before lovers & he was very loyal.

His turning up on the beach in Worthing on Sunday & leaving her alone to leave later with friends was a bit odd & suggests tension perhaps. Especially odd as he’d not been her plus one at 21st so had travelled presumably from London to Worthing only to turn around & go home again alone.

SL made her way home with SH her friend. AL just back off holiday, you would think they would travel back to london together.

 

[lee sumner]

Well, I am not looking at DV in isolation & we can agree he interviewed CV at least - this is very detailed in his book . The police agree with a great deal of what DV has said…if not the ‘cellar’ theory…

AS gives details re: 6pm apt etc.

It’s my view that SL did invent ‘Kipper’ to get out at lunchtime to get her things in part & the final call she took ‘half sitting, half standing’ & perhaps the loss of expected commission NH took, influenced what happened next & fateful decisions made.

loss of commision. SL had a cig break that morning with NH and SF. she shared her cigs with them, so this tells me there was no tension that morning. once again its more BS from DV. DV was an officer with the MET for 3 yrs. DCS carter served almost 30 yrs as a detective, which is why i have faith in what he says. we dont all think the same.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

why would she invent mr kipper name to get out of the office when at 1pm its her lunch break. if she was going anywhere she could go then. DV also says SL did not take the keys to 37/SR, but to say this is an insult to the late detective carter who was SIO in charge of the investigation. as if a SIO like carter would miss something like that. no way. we can agree to disagree, but i think a mystery man set up the viewing as mr kipper and i also think she went to 37/SR.

‘Lunchtime’ was unusually problematic for reasons discussed previously. Short staffed, big boss in etc.

No one was particularly focused on the keys as understandably assumed she took them. HR seeing SL & ‘Kipper’ outside Shorrolds caused all attention & focus here. HR was unreliable & he made things up or exaggerated unfortunately. The evidence is there & he backtracked. No van bundling involved etc! Possibly he heard another door bang - he later said. He caused a problem.

There’s evidence to suggest she was outside 37 or someone was/others were this said. A real focus on everyone in the vicinity showing properties etc that lunchtime would have been helpful.

I think that last call, made or received, might have led to picking someone up at Shorrolds. The unidentified person, if a developer might have been interested in what they used to call a ‘comparable’ or seeing a property from outside/neighbourhood ripe for carving up into flats etc. He might have immediately vetoed & they headed elsewhere. I do think going to pub on cards earlier than later too.

It’s plausible this person was the one indirectly flagged to Mum in last conversation.

 

[lee sumner]

I thought something off re: 6pm - for reasons stated on thread - for many years prior to DV. Also, that there was an urgency & tension around lost belongings - source AS & Brookner etc - it’s very plausible & understandable, IMO, she’d want & need them back earlier rather than later.

I agree with you that the answer to this mystery isn’t complex. It’s either JC or it’s someone almost hiding in plain sight potentially. DL herself said as the person buying the property with SL, involved in this ‘scheme’ never came forward, wasn’t identified & must likely be linked to her disappearance. Their contact details or a reference to them must have been somewhere.

thanks. the answer to this mystery is not complex. here we agree, ha, ha.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

loss of commision. SL had a cig break that morning with NH and SF. she shared her cigs with them, so this tells me there was no tension that morning. once again its more BS from DV. DV was an officer with the MET for 3 yrs. DCS carter served almost 30 yrs as a detective, which is why i have faith in what he says. we dont all think the same.

That’s true but I did pick up post cigs - which were v first thing - & good mood, from AS etc she was focused on locating belongings. SF noted too. All understandable. I agree Carter was an impressive, highly intelligent man.

 

[lee sumner]

‘Lunchtime’ was unusually problematic for reasons discussed previously. Short staffed, big boss in etc.

No one was particularly focused on the keys as understandably assumed she took them. HR seeing SL & ‘Kipper’ outside Shorrolds caused all attention & focus here. HR was unreliable & he made things up or exaggerated unfortunately. The evidence is there & he backtracked. No van bundling involved etc! Possibly he heard another door bang - he later said. He caused a problem.

There’s evidence to suggest she was outside 37 or someone was/others were this said. A real focus on everyone in the vicinity showing properties etc that lunchtime would have been helpful.

I think that last call, made or received, might have led to picking someone up at Shorrolds. The unidentified person, if a developer might have been interested in what they used to call a ‘comparable’ or seeing a property from outside/neighbourhood ripe for carving up into flats etc. He might have immediately vetoed & they headed elsewhere. I do think going to pub on cards earlier than later too.

HR did tell a lie saying he seen SL being bundled into a car, but his first sighting of a couple outside 37SR was the truth. SL put down appointment with annotation O/S which means she was meeting client outside. that is logic, common sense

 

[lee sumner]

That’s true but I did pick up post cigs - which were v first thing - & good mood, from AS etc she was focused on locating belongings. SF noted too. All understandable. I agree Carter was an impressive, highly intelligent man.

yes, carter lost his mother in law 3 yrs earlier. she went missing in the himalayars. not sure i have spelt it correctly.