UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #8

[Rookie D]

From the Newcastle Journal printed on 20th August 1986...

A still shot taken from Stevenage Road of the white Fiesta...

Is that THE other white car parked across the road?!


Surely not.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

Possibly with JC in mind, by June 1987 the police consider SL ‘dropped’ Kipper at a ‘building to do business’ He ‘invites her in’ things then go wrong. Later he joins friends at a South London pub.

The timeline is off but their ideas are interesting (!)

Was the person @Clairybums flags ever a person of interest?

 

[GTB72]

Possibly with JC in mind, by June 1987 the police consider SL ‘dropped’ Kipper at a ‘building to do business’ He ‘invites her in’ things then go wrong. Later he joins friends at a South London pub.

The timeline is off but their ideas are interesting (!)

Was the person @Clairybums flags ever a person of interest?

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Possibly with JC in mind, by June 1987 the police consider SL ‘dropped’ Kipper at a ‘building to do business’ He ‘invites her in’ things then go wrong. Later he joins friends at a South London pub.

The timeline is off but their ideas are interesting (!)

Was the person @Clairybums flags ever a person of interest?

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So the Police are suggesting that she was never at 37 Shorrolds Road according to that article by The People? What about the 3 sightings? This is only a year after the fact. Unless it's just a made up theory by the journalist. No Police on the record. Not even a Police source said.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

So the Police are suggesting that she was never at 37 Shorrolds Road according to that article by The People? What about the 3 sightings? This is only a year after the fact. Unless it's just a made up theory by the journalist. No Police on the record. Not even a Police source said.

37 Shorrolds was considered a possible invention by SL right at the beginning of the investigation by the police (AS).

Not everyone agreed with sequence of events & the very confused timeline didn’t help.

 

[ScotsPaddy]

From the Newcastle Journal printed on 20th August 1986...

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A still shot taken from Stevenage Road of the white Fiesta...

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Is that THE other white car parked across the road?!


Surely not.

My guess is the car across the road looks like an Austin Maestro but i could well be wrong.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

So the Police are suggesting that she was never at 37 Shorrolds Road according to that article by The People? What about the 3 sightings? This is only a year after the fact. Unless it's just a made up theory by the journalist. No Police on the record. Not even a Police source said.

For his ‘regular drink’ at lunchtime in a ‘South London’ pub suggests some investigation along these lines (?)

There’s another article suggesting accomplices I will look for.

 

[WestLondoner]

37 Shorrolds was considered a possible invention by SL right at the beginning of the investigation by the police (AS).

IIRC Barley thought in 1986 that she never went to Shorrolds.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

IIRC Barley thought in 1986 that she never went to Shorrolds.

Yes, some of the DV surmises weren’t new. This ‘errand’ has also been problematic, I think, for some on investigation re: timescales. The police appear to think the ‘secret’ diary/contact book was ‘salacious’ (DV) at least in part. Given AN in it & investigated etc there might be supporting evidence here too.

No one would want a book like that to linger indefinitely in a pub in a stranger’s hands. KH did read through it to try to find owner’s contact details. In 80s usually you’d put these on inside cover or first page. The fact it didn’t have these and family friends never seen it before (DV) might suggest it was very private indeed.

 

[Rookie D]

@ScotsPaddy That is indeed correct. That's an Austin Maestro for sure.

 

[lee sumner]

Hi this is what I posted and i have put an image of the top entry in her diary on that day for you.


just coming back to the FPR sighting - Wardo avenue runs off FPR - and in her diary on that day was 142 Wardo - bike contract. I cannot see anything that has been investigated into that entry - or any explanation from Sturgis as to rule it out?


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DCS carter and the lamplugh squad would have checked this out. they would have looked at every appointment she did since starting at sturgis.

 

[Clairybums]

Thank You K,

I'm well aware that I've seemingly popped up from nowhere. No one knows me or my father and I've told this story with no corroborating evidence to back it up. I honestly wish I did. The only way I could post to the forum was to sign up. It was something I felt was right to do even if only for my father and in the hope that someone on here (more able that I) might have investigative skills and/or resources. In my mind I hoped that someone, at some point in the future would be able to find out about any possible link to do with WScrubbs, the man and the neighbour (G) from downstairs. The police officer did tell my brother and me that although he did believe it was SL my father had seen that day, the information would not be of use now, so many years later, in finding SL and we accepted that.

At this time I still believe it was JC but mainly because, according to what my brother remembers, when JC was finishing out his time in WScrubbs was around the same time that G was doing 6 months in there. No, I dont have exact dates of their releases or whether they both were at the halfway house before they were freed. I have spoken to my brother more in the last 2 days than in the last year.

I will get hold of the books that have been recommended. It's possible that after reading them, I will change my mind about JC being my prime suspect.

If I do ever get hold of anything that can corroborate, I will be sure to share it.

P.s. sorry for my oversharing in my posts. I am known among my family and friends for this... trying to tell a story, going off on tangents mid way when it sparks another side story then trying to remember where I got to in the main story

Just out of curiosity... I'm trying to play catchup so please forgive the randomness/offtopic-ness...

I watched a channel 4 documentary last night titled "In the footsteps of killers" episode about SL. (trying to avoid full names so I dont get in trouble) where DW and EF look over the case and interview SL brother to ask what he would like and he says he'd like to know where she ended up. Towards the end of the programme the subject of the witness who passed a man on a path by the Union Canal in Brentford came up That lead is followed whereby two ladies are interviewed who were friends with this witness (previously passed away). What they had to say struck me as quite interesting, not only because I felt they were in a similar position to myself and my brother (giving 2nd had information from a deceased potential witness). It was not lost on me that they said their friend was haunted for the rest of his life because he reported his encounter at the time and twice after that and it all but fell on deaf ears (the same exact way I felt about my father) but more importantly than that was that they relayed that their friend had said the man looked like the photofit at the time and that when JC was going on trial their friend attended the trial and told them he was positive that JC was the the same man he passed that day who he believed had dumped something in the canal. I do vaguely remember reading about this witness but at the time I wasn't really invested (I've kinda been switched on and off over the years for my own sanity). There seemed to be a good reason for a search of the area in the canal. The tv programme suggests this was never done, not then and not since. Is that correct? Or am I completely missing something? Perhaps it's a question of cost and/or resources? With so many other more recent crimes to solve I guess

I'm trying not to put all my eggs in one basket over one of many, many docs and videos. Also I had to look past the way the show was trying to be really dramatic and sinister when actually the presenters came across as stiff as they tried to stick to the dramatic (really terrible acting at times). They didn’t need to do this, only present the story and facts.

According to IMDb, the series was from 2021. Does anyone have any thoughts or insights on this? My own analytical and processing skills used to be very good but are now very crap with trouble focusing (brain overstimulates and switches off - really annoying). Trying to get my head around the possibility that SL could have been in that canal, could still be there? Surely not? They had a forensics expert who explained that it's possible that bones could still be found (horrid thought I know) and possibly dna matched to family members.

Interested to hear what others think. In the meantime I'll be googling etc., to see if there's more info on this aspect.

Thanks for your patience.

 

[lee sumner]

From the Newcastle Journal printed on 20th August 1986...

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A still shot taken from Stevenage Road of the white Fiesta...

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Is that THE other white car parked across the road?!


Surely not.

very interesting. i wonder why detectives think it was not SL car.

 

[Ellymoo]

i have just got clean. i recently come off heroin, and can tell you its not a recreational drug. it is a opiate. very addictive.

Off topic but I must say this is an extraordinary achievement. I can't begin to imagine how hard that was and I wish you every luck in the future.

 

[lee sumner]

FWIW I think that the Wardo entry does not mean alot.

I am going through the earlier threads and to quote West Londoner Dec28 2021. Thanks WL.

See below.

The fact that SJL spoke to people about $3k commission (alot of $ in 1986) speaks to some other income source absolutely. WL has posted about this in Thread 2.
It is food for thought. The husband (who is only mentioned once in AS as TSS and I cannot find any reference to online nor PSS ) was apparently involved in property development.
The fact that the wife PSS showed up at ES avenue in a dramatic fashion saying they were going to have lunch on Monday 28th and she felt so bad about not being able to make it - I mean really? (according to AS). Now I think about that it seems a bit suss. but JMO.



According to AS, SJL was at one point supposed to be going into business with a friend and her husband, but she lost interest, perhaps because she envisaged making better money as an estate agent. Money had been spent on the intended venture and SJL then started avoiding this couple. At the same time she reported to her uncle that she being hassled by someone. Just after she disappeared, 8 days after in fact, the husband was declared bankrupt.

My conjecture is that on 28 July, this man is right on the edge and has blown money on something which now can't proceed, thanks to SJL. She's been avoiding him and his wife, so he tricks her into going somewhere he can confront her and demand off her the money she's made him waste.

There is evidence for the venture and someone hassling her. There is evidence from the police that she was remarkably successful at handling money to the point where they even wondered if she might be on the game. The conversation she had with someone on the Saturday, where she said she was expecting a £3,000 "commission", points to some other income stream. If she never went to Shorrolds, as seems likely, then whatever happened must have happened at the only other place she had a need to be headed for.

The BW sighting is challenging to fit into any timeline because it means SJL's car was seen in two places at once: in Stevenage Road and in the Fulham Palace Road, at 2.45. Either one sighting is wrong or both are. If BW is correct I can't think of any other course of events that fits.

The last photo of SJL was taken on Saturday, which was the day she had her hair highlighted. In it she is not especially blonde.

yes, i was thinking the same thing. he would not need to pretend to be a house buyer if he was a business partner of SL, or even pretending to be a B-partner.

 

[lee sumner]

Possibly with JC in mind, by June 1987 the police consider SL ‘dropped’ Kipper at a ‘building to do business’ He ‘invites her in’ things then go wrong. Later he joins friends at a South London pub.

The timeline is off but their ideas are interesting (!)

Was the person @Clairybums flags ever a person of interest?

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this is what i have always thought. did WJ mistake a white car for SL fiesta, and her car was ditched there later on early evening.

 

[lee sumner]

So the Police are suggesting that she was never at 37 Shorrolds Road according to that article by The People? What about the 3 sightings? This is only a year after the fact. Unless it's just a made up theory by the journalist. No Police on the record. Not even a Police source said.

i believe she went to 37SR, and i dont think she was killed so quickly like implied in this article/theory.

 

[lee sumner]

Off topic but I must say this is an extraordinary achievement. I can't begin to imagine how hard that was and I wish you every luck in the future.

thanks.

 

[tes1984]

thanks.

Trying to solve cold cases is a healthier addiction, and I think you have a lot of potential to do something within the UK true crime industry in the future.

 

[GTB72]

i believe she went to 37SR, and i dont think she was killed so quickly like implied in this article/theory.

I think she went to 37 as well. The first sighting outside of the lady standing right at the entrance looking as if she was waiting for someone. If that's not Suzy then whom? Another estate agent? Someone waiting for a mini cab? One sighting you could explain away. But 3?

I don't think she was killed that early too. I've always thought that she drove to Stevenage Road and was picked up and driven to 37SR. Afterwards, her and Kipper drove away for their business meeting/assignation and she was killed elsewhere. Just leaving the car to be found by Police at 22.01 where it was parked sometime earlier.
JMO.

 

[lee sumner]

Trying to solve cold cases is a healthier addiction, and I think you have a lot of potential to do something within the UK true crime industry in the future.

thanks. the lamplugh case is an obsession of mine, but a healthy obsession, ha, ha.