UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 July 1986 #8

[kes1972]

The problem with the police case against Cannan is that it has always pointed to suspicions of his guilt that are either outlandish ("I remember seeing Cannan looking in Sturgis' window 14 years ago"); knowingly untruthful (insinuations that he was the Birmingham house-for-sale rapist - who was, however, described by victims and nothing like him); or entirely unpersuasive ("The police are convinced Cannan had access to a BMW" - they were also convinced Jean Charles de Menezes was Asian and carrying a bomb).

If the case includes stuff that collapses in a nanosecond when studied, it makes a rational person sceptical of all of it, even if better-founded.

I think lorna sth murder may have been something to do with this crime also.

 

[lee sumner]

I would go for another estate agent company worker, as leaving sl car at a sturgis sign is like in a way distancing, maybe another property nearby selling by another company.

great point you make about other estate agent company. DSC jim dickie did say mr kipper had contacted other EA/company in SW london before SL went missing.

 

[kes1972]

SL probably dropped her lost items outside the POW pub, but why use the pub phone outside when she has her own landline phone in her flat.

I believe that is just creating distance between there being an actual meeting by saying may have used the phone, i do not believe she ever did use that phone.

 

[kes1972]

great point you make about other estate agent company. DSC jim dickie did say mr kipper had contacted other EA/company in SW london before SL went missing.

May have been trying to find which ea sl worked at and had to phone around, so not at all involved in sl life, just some reason or other wanted her. If so that narrows the field to a 25yo+ single male who worked in estate agency and knew fulham area well enough to know where to meet sl. I would think the house he took sl to must at least half a mile away or so and when he returned the car got back in his own and left. Must be an estate agent.

 

[Kasparthecat1]

great point you make about other estate agent company. DSC jim dickie did say mr kipper had contacted other EA/company in SW london before SL went missing.

Wasn't there an incident too (although in South London I think) where a man went to a house posing as a viewer - and b@gered off when he realised the female occupant's partner was at home?

 

[kes1972]

Wasn't there an incident too (although in South London I think) where a man went to a house posing as a viewer - and b@gered off when he realised the female occupant's partner was at home

 

[kes1972]

" It is food for thought. The husband (who is only mentioned once in AS as TSS and I cannot find any reference to online nor PSS ) was apparently involved in property development.

The fact that the wife PSS showed up at ES avenue in a dramatic fashion saying they were going to have lunch on Monday 28th and she felt so bad about not being able to make it - I mean really? (according to AS). Now I think about that it seems a bit suss. but JMO."

Odd too that DV does not mention the couple at all in Finding Suzy. Perhaps they're litigious, and have protected themselves. I believe the husband is deceased, but she's pretty well-known. I don't think she's ever spoken about her relationship with Sjl, despite them seemingly having been besties until a couple months before Skl's disappearance.

It may be something, it may be nothing. Weird though.

Es avenue?

 

[Konstantin]

DV didn't mention them probably because they didn't fit with his theory.

 

[WestLondoner]

DV didn't mention them probably because they didn't fit with his theory.

They threatened him I think. When he was interviewed and it was briefly on YouTube the interviewer brought it up and he closed it down instantly.

 

[Konstantin]

They threatened him I think. When he was interviewed and it was briefly on YouTube the interviewer brought it up and he closed it down instantly.

Interesting. But why - his theory has them nowhere near her abduction.

 

[Kasparthecat1]

Es avenue?

East Sheen Avenue. Home of the Lamplughs.

 

[kes1972]

Just reading as book, wj walked her dog briefly at 12:40 then put the dog indoors called for her neighbour am they both then got in a car ( am must have been expecting wj to be leaving so quickly) parked went into the bank queued up looked at yhe clock and it was 12:49…… wow that must take some doing to do all that in 9 minutes plus wj had noticed sl car and noticed it overlapping am garage entrance.
I 100% do not believe any if that for a second and how can that be accepted.

 

[lee sumner]

Just reading as book, wj walked her dog briefly at 12:40 then put the dog indoors called for her neighbour am they both then got in a car ( am must have been expecting wj to be leaving so quickly) parked went into the bank queued up looked at yhe clock and it was 12:49…… wow that must take some doing to do all that in 9 minutes plus wj had noticed sl car and noticed it overlapping am garage entrance.
I 100% do not believe any if that for a second and how can that be accepted.

i agree. she did all that in 10mins, and you cant notice the overlap at garage entrance from WJ kitchen window.

 

[lee sumner]

May have been trying to find which ea sl worked at and had to phone around, so not at all involved in sl life, just some reason or other wanted her. If so that narrows the field to a 25yo+ single male who worked in estate agency and knew fulham area well enough to know where to meet sl. I would think the house he took sl to must at least half a mile away or so and when he returned the car got back in his own and left. Must be an estate agent.

i always thought mr kipper appears to know about sturgis property for sale in fulham.

 

[kes1972]

i always thought mr kipper appears to know about sturgis property for sale in fulham.

i agree. she did all that in 10mins, and you cant notice the overlap at garage entrance from WJ kitchen window.

1 - sl car parked opposite wj address overlapping am garage, now that could possibly infuriate both as they were friends.
2 - having a house for sale creates a reason for sl to visit
3 - timeline of wj & am seems very suspect

 

[WestLondoner]

Interesting. But why - his theory has them nowhere near her abduction.

He could have approached them naively like he did AL and been sent a lawyer's letter saying if he should so much as mention them in any book he'd be sued silly and the book pulped. This could be well in advance of his developing any theory.

It would be suspicious in itself but it's been very successful. In the 40 years of books, articles and documentaries about this case they have not been mentioned once. Every such production goes straight from Shorrolds to Cannan without passing Go, collecting £200 or interrogating the case against him in any way at all. When did you ever see a TV doc that said here's why it doesn't fit Cannan?

I suspect a condition of police participation in these programmes is that the programme makers must conclude it was JC.

 

[kes1972]

He could have approached them naively like he did AL and been sent a lawyer's letter saying if he should so much as mention them in any book he'd be sued silly and the book pulped. This could be well in advance of his developing any theory.

It would be suspicious in itself but it's been very successful. In the 40 years of books, articles and documentaries about this case they have not been mentioned once. Every such production goes straight from Shorrolds to Cannan without passing Go, collecting £200 or interrogating the case against him in any way at all. When did you ever see a TV doc that said here's why it doesn't fit Cannan?

I suspect a condition of police participation in these programmes is that the programme makers must conclude it was JC.

Interesting. But why - his theory has them nowhere near her abduction.

i wonder if dv had multiple theories but went with one that may get results