Unwanted Birth Control Advice Leads To 76 yr Old Woman Being Banned From Bus

[Amraann]

Hi Amraan,
It's been a long while since I've posted with you. I hope you are doing well.

I'm afraid that my last post has gotten misunderstood. Maybe bad wording on my part.

I meant that we have to keep the population under control, whether it be from illegal aliens from any country or from mothers who are pumping out kids left and right...usually with no means to support them except with gov't assistance....which only costs the hard working middle class more. Sure, have all of the children you want....as long as you can pay for them. (I don't mean you personally, just using "you" in general) If you can't feed them, don't breed them. As much as people complain about the Iraq war costing us so much money, just look at the tax dollars that go towards welfare! And the girls just keep pumping them out. Well now I'm going off on a tangent....let me just stay on topic :silenced: !

Anyway, it's just that I see our glorious and irreplaceable land disappearing faster and faster. What was once beautiful country side is now being turned into townhomes, housing developments, market places and such. That makes me extremely sad. I just don't want to end up like China.

As I said earlier, this old ladies presentation is all wrong....but her message is good. Sorry if I offended you. I surley didn't mean to do that!

ETA: And I surely don't think this little old lady should have been banned from the bus because she offended someone....maybe those out-of-control children were offending her. jmo....:silenced:

I took no offense at all!!! I think we are in agreement about women excessively having children and being on welfare.

I do not believe this womens message was good as I do not think it had any foundation in fact but merely an off the cuff judgement based on a misguided sterio type. How would she now this women was on welfare?
There is no evidence that the children were out of control either... nor that they were even all hers. (maybe she was out with a friend and the friend went to the restroom?)
Even if they were. I could easily see why someone would take a bus and its not because they are on welfare.
Maybe it is cheaper then buying some 7 seater SUV making payments and full auto insurance thereby allowing her to afford to feed those children.
Or maybe her car was in the shop?
Maybe she just prefers to take the bus rather then driving herself with 6 children in the car?

Although I think we disagree on some points here Ember I enjoy posting with you
Have a wonderful weekend!!

 

[ziggy]

Old people sure do say what's on their minds! Kind of like kids. Believe me, my mom is 84 and her "husband" is 85 so I hear it all the time.

I guess that's the pleasure of getting older...not giving a damn what other people think! It kind of makes me laugh. I know it can be offensive but if you just use humor to diffuse it, you can laugh about it later. A good witty remark helps. You live to be that age, I figure you have a right to speak your mind. There is something to be said about experience.
Just my opinion.

 

[Pandora]

I have to say, if it hadn't happened in Utah, I'd have assumed they were talking about my grandmother. She tells everybody what she thinks about them and how they live their lives.
Needless to say, she's not a popular person w/ family members.
She often tells people she's lived long enough to say whatever she wants to say; the problem is, she's ALWAYS been this way!
Most embarassing is when she comments on what people are eating in restaurants--especially if the people are overweight. I won't go out to eat with her anymore!

 

[Nova]

Well, I do see your point from an environmental standpoint, and I do agree things are overpopulated etc. I guess it's just that I don't really think zeroing in on one poor lady struggling with her kids on the bus is cool. And I feel pretty sure the lady who said something was not thinking about the earth's shared resources. I do see your point, and it's right. This story just irritated me good for some reason.

Me, too, and I completely agree with you. What I'm talking about is a society-wide issue and there's no reason to be unkind to individual mothers. (Hey, my daughter has 3 kids, not just 2, and we haven't disowned her! On the contrary, we adore the third kid just like the others.)

 

[Nova]

It's true that population control is a valid social discussion and something we need to look at. It's equally true that the 76-year-old lady wasn't thinking along those lines!

I just thought we could all agree to condemn the old bat and move on to something really controversial! :dance:

 

[Nova]

...I am deeply offended that my hard earned money goes to support a baby machine that is too unmotivated to make a good life for herself and her children.....

I certainly see your point and I agree people shouldn't have kids they can't support. But the last I heard, most food stamp recipients (children) get something like $3/day. I don't think they buy a lot of steaks with that money.

Welfare doesn't pay like it used to. And given all the ways our tax money is wasted, feeding children isn't on my list of top ten gripes.

 

[Nova]

Have you ever flown over the United States? I think we've room to grow, however, it seems that the educated and working (no matter what the race) are having less children because they are responsible people who take responsibility for their own.

It's not just a matter of square feet for bodies. It's a question of water (big question in most of those empty areas), fuel for heat (either you cut down tress or burn dwindling oil), air pollution created, etc. and so forth.

As for the second part of that sentence, Kennedys notwithstanding, people in all cultures tend to have fewer children as their income rises.

 

[Nova]

Guys, can we try not to refer to this woman as "an old bat?"

Sorry, my bad. I'll use "the distinguished elder spokeswoman" instead. :blushing:

 

[Amraann]

Guys, can we try not to refer to this woman as "an old bat?"

I will admit the thought to refer to as that crossed my mind.
Why?
She is one.
That in no way means that every elderly women is.
Most elderly women are not racist nosy busy bodies.

 

[Nova]

...So with that...in regards to people who are in favor of population control, how can you enforce or promote, or help, this if the women who are having kids *want* their kids and support them?

Hermione, I just noticed your tag line. Congrats on the little one and the one on the way. (If you want a third, you can have one of my "credits." )

Short of extreme measures such as those tried in China and India, I don't suppose there is any way to guarantee that some people won't have extra kids.

But as with smoking and other things, making large broods "socially unacceptable" will go a long way to solving the problem.

(NOTE to anyone with a large brood s/he dearly loves: good on you! As with global warming, we're talking about changes that need to be made on a very large scale. We haven't been practicing "limited families" and I am not criticizing you.)

 

[Nova]

I will admit the thought to refer to as that crossed my mind.
Why?
She is one.
That in no way means that every elderly women is.
Most elderly women are not racist nosy busy bodies.

True! But White Rain is right that I should try avoid gender-specific terms like "old bat." They almost always carry unintended baggage and I should know better. I was trying to find a shorthand to make it clear I wasn't defending the woman, but I made the wrong choice.

 

[White Rain]

Sorry, my bad. I'll use "the distinguished elder spokeswoman" instead. :blushing:

much better! lol

 

[Nova]

...I've noticed that a lot of older people have no tact whatsoever.

My boss, a professional comedian, does the following routine:

"It's good to be old. You get to be cruel. What can they do to us anyway? We've already had children."

 

[Nova]

I have to say, if it hadn't happened in Utah, I'd have assumed they were talking about my grandmother. She tells everybody what she thinks about them and how they live their lives.
Needless to say, she's not a popular person w/ family members.
She often tells people she's lived long enough to say whatever she wants to say; the problem is, she's ALWAYS been this way!
Most embarassing is when she comments on what people are eating in restaurants--especially if the people are overweight. I won't go out to eat with her anymore!

Apparently you are my niece. You're entirely right about Mother.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Apparently you are my niece. You're entirely right about Mother.

:laugh:

 

[eleven]

Old people sure do say what's on their minds! Kind of like kids. Believe me, my mom is 84 and her "husband" is 85 so I hear it all the time.

I guess that's the pleasure of getting older...not giving a damn what other people think! It kind of makes me laugh. I know it can be offensive but if you just use humor to diffuse it, you can laugh about it later. A good witty remark helps. You live to be that age, I figure you have a right to speak your mind. There is something to be said about experience.
Just my opinion.

Maybe so....but spewing hateful racist drivel is STILL hateful racist drivel. Just because the person saying it is older, it doesn't suddenly make it okay. Just because someone passes a certain number of years lived, it in no way makes it okay to speak your mind if your mind is all about myopic, antiquated, racist rudeness---in front of children no less! If anything, at that age you should have the MATURITY and self control to know what should be appropriate to children. I have been raising my kids to truly be color-blind, race-blind---we all bleed red. I'm not trying to sound corny, but I truly believe that the only TRUE race is the human race.

I can admire her spryness and gusto, but she could better serve out the remaining years of life putting that to some good use by directing it in some other fashion. If used wisely, her energy could be very valuable.

 

[Amraann]

Nice post Eleven!

TO Ziggy I would add... I don't believe there is anything about experience that this women was drawing from..
At that age experience should have taught her that you cannot always judge a book by its cover...
NOT that every women travelling with 6 kids and browner toned skin must need to hear her hatelful,rude and racist advice.

 

[shopper]

I don't agree with the notion that old people have carte blance to say hurtful, insulting things just because they accomplished the task of living to a certain age. And how is it really an accomplishment anyway, other than maybe clean living and good genes? I don't have any statistics on hand, but I don't think there's a shortage of people living past the age of 65 (or any given age).

IMO, manners apply to everyone whether you're 9 or 90 or in between. This applies to people of sound mind, obviously those with mental disablities shouldn't be held to the same standards. JMO

 

[Boyzmomee]

:laugh:

Hell yeah! You go granny! I love a woman with moxy! :dance:

Advice from the elderly is a good thing, imo. Experience is the best tool for obtaining knowledge.

I think she has every right to speak her mind.
I'll probaly get flamed for saying so but.....especially if our/her tax dollars are going towards the support of these breed sow mothers, which I hate to say is more often than not the case. Our Earth is over-populated enough!

Maybe not a racist, but a realist.
Bet granny would give a white girl with a gaggle of kids the same thing....especially if they were hard to control. Elderly people do not appreciate rudeness in children. Unfortunately, our world has turned into a much less refined place than what it was back in their day....when manners and well behaved children mattered.

jmo, of course

Bravo! I'm tired of supporting other people's children with my tax dollars.

My friend has a bumper sticker that says :

If you can't feed them, don't breed them. (That goes for all races.)

 

[Boyzmomee]

It does if she can't pay for them and that's the context I was using that phrase in. I was talking in general, not specifically about this mother on the bus. I don't know her situation. However, we all know lower life forms who just keep having more kids to up their welfare priviledges. It's about population control and the proper way for this country to be compassionate towards those in need.
I am deeply offended that my hard earned money goes to support a baby machine that is too unmotivated to make a good life for herself and her children. I have been a single mother with two small children.....and I can tell that while there is a breath left in my body, I will make my own way. Welfare was designed to help get a leg up, not a hand out....and no one should use their ability to reproduce as a step increase.


About whether you want to call it moxy or nosey is a matter of opinion.
MY opinion is that it is moxy....maybe senility...but never the less.....
There have been so many times that I have wanted to say the same thing to the girl in front of me in line at the grocery store who has 4 or 5 unruly, unclean and uncared for children screaming in the buggy that I am helping to support...especially when she has a cart full of steak, shrimp, and any other expensive food you can think of and then whips out her food stamps, very entitledly, to pay for it all. I would love to embarrass some pride into those kind of people......the only thing that stops me is that I would in no way shape or form hurt the children who are already at quite a disadvantage in life. Maybe when I'm old, I won't give a damn. :crazy:


Yes, I've watched them whip out their food stamps, WIC, etc. with 4 children crowing around the cart and ......she's pregnant.

jmo.....I call it like I see it.

Yes, I've watched them whip out their food stamps, WIC, etc. with 4 children crowding around the cart and ......she's pregnant.