Unwanted Birth Control Advice Leads To 76 yr Old Woman Being Banned From Bus

[eleven]

It does if she can't pay for them and that's the context I was using that phrase in. I was talking in general, not specifically about this mother on the bus. I don't know her situation. However, we all know lower life forms who just keep having more kids to up their welfare priviledges. It's about population control and the proper way for this country to be compassionate towards those in need.
I am deeply offended that my hard earned money goes to support a baby machine that is too unmotivated to make a good life for herself and her children. I have been a single mother with two small children.....and I can tell that while there is a breath left in my body, I will make my own way. Welfare was designed to help get a leg up, not a hand out....and no one should use their ability to reproduce as a step increase.


About whether you want to call it moxy or nosey is a matter of opinion.
MY opinion is that it is moxy....maybe senility...but never the less.....
There have been so many times that I have wanted to say the same thing to the girl in front of me in line at the grocery store who has 4 or 5 unruly, unclean and uncared for children screaming in the buggy that I am helping to support...especially when she has a cart full of steak, shrimp, and any other expensive food you can think of and then whips out her food stamps, very entitledly, to pay for it all. I would love to embarrass some pride into those kind of people......the only thing that stops me is that I would in no way shape or form hurt the children who are already at quite a disadvantage in life. Maybe when I'm old, I won't give a damn. :crazy:

jmo.....I call it like I see it.

That's just it, though...we don't KNOW her situation. As far as "we all know lower life forms who keep having kids to up their welfare situations"---well, no, I don't know these people. Actually, I don't know ANYONE on welfare, although I doubt they would shout it from the rooftops if they were on welfare. But judging from the cars they drive, the houses they live in and the jobs they have, no one I know is on welfare. If you know so many and feel so strongly about this, have you shared your opinion with those you know that you think they are lower life forms than you????

The notion of having more kids JUST to get more welfare benefits really isn't a logical notion. The amount of welfare received per child does not leave a surplus of money to the parent. I think the amount received is really low.

I am all about taking care of my own, and I do and always have. We had our first baby when I was 19 & we have worked our way up in the world as far as income and housing. However, to look down on the parents and children who ARE on welfare as "lower life forms" is.....well, you are entitled to your opinion. I would certainly hope that you would never be in a position where you lost your job due to unforeseen circumstances, maybe an accident where you were unable to work for a year? Many fathers up and leave their families, leaving a mom alone with the kids with no money. What if your child came down with an illness that required intensive medical care that your insurance company wouldn't cover, but that the state Medicaid would? Would that make you a "lower life form" if you needed (God forbid) assistance? I don't think it would--you would be just as human as you are now. The fact my DH & I both work and are able to give our children good lives and have always supported them in no makes me superior, or a "higher life form" than anyone on welfare. It just means that my circumstances are better. Nothing more.

 

[deanws]

In regards to population control - I think if you can support your litter, go for it. But don't ask me to pony up because you can't take a freaking pill every day.

LOL Ziggy!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[deanws]

Bravo! I'm tired of supporting other people's children with my tax dollars.

My friend has a bumper sticker that says :

If you can't feed them, don't breed them. (That goes for all races.)

I agree! LOL! :laugh:

 

[Pandora]

Apparently you are my niece. You're entirely right about Mother.

WOW! I thought your posts sounded/looked familiar! See you at the next reunion!

 

[Boyzmomee]

That's just it, though...we don't KNOW her situation. As far as "we all know lower life forms who keep having kids to up their welfare situations"---well, no, I don't know these people. Actually, I don't know ANYONE on welfare, although I doubt they would shout it from the rooftops if they were on welfare. But judging from the cars they drive, the houses they live in and the jobs they have, no one I know is on welfare. If you know so many and feel so strongly about this, have you shared your opinion with those you know that you think they are lower life forms than you????

The notion of having more kids JUST to get more welfare benefits really isn't a logical notion. The amount of welfare received per child does not leave a surplus of money to the parent. I think the amount received is really low.

I am all about taking care of my own, and I do and always have. We had our first baby when I was 19 & we have worked our way up in the world as far as income and housing. However, to look down on the parents and children who ARE on welfare as "lower life forms" is.....well, you are entitled to your opinion. I would certainly hope that you would never be in a position where you lost your job due to unforeseen circumstances, maybe an accident where you were unable to work for a year? Many fathers up and leave their families, leaving a mom alone with the kids with no money. What if your child came down with an illness that required intensive medical care that your insurance company wouldn't cover, but that the state Medicaid would? Would that make you a "lower life form" if you needed (God forbid) assistance? I don't think it would--you would be just as human as you are now. The fact my DH & I both work and are able to give our children good lives and have always supported them in no makes me superior, or a "higher life form" than anyone on welfare. It just means that my circumstances are better. Nothing more.

Smart people can make deductions about this woman. She's riding a bus with 6 children. No, I don't believe her car was in the shop.

By the way, I have worked in the social welfare field and there are people who have more kids to stay on benefits. Yes, the amount is low per our standards. However, it's not just cash aid were speaking about. It's section 8 housing and food stamps among other things.


In addition, I've had unforseen circumstances and my yougest child's birth cost over $256,000. However, I didn't bring 4 more children into the equation.

As far as parents leaving familes? I've always advised that no person have any more children than he or she alone could support. Spouses die and marriages end in divorce.


The fact that you and your husband work and can give your children good lives demonstrates that you are superior. You and your husband have made superior choices in your lives. You, your children, and society in general benefit from it. Your circumstances are better due to your choices and your actions.

I will never forget sitting in my college anthropology class. The teacher was the chair of the department. She explained that Darwin's survival of the fittest no longer applies. She explained that she is highly educated and doesn't have any children. She went on to state that those in the class were the "cream of the crop" and we would likely have one or two children per person in the class. Next, she informed us that we will be supporting those who are less capable and who are breeding at an alarming rate.

It's true whether or not you are willing to stomach it.

I'm done with being politically correct. It's time for a good dose of reality.

 

[kygal]

Until you are the parent or one of the children in that situation, you really have no right to get up on your high horse and say anything.

You don't know the mother's story, so no one has any reason to say anything to her about crap until they do -- and this includes the racist hag that got banned from the bus. What if she and her husband both worked and lost their jobs -- it happens every day. And when things are going well you don't think about the laters of not being able to support them. We also don't know whether or not she even was receiving assistance, so I don't know where this came into play.

I was one of those kids, and I can tell you that I was embarrassed enough without someone pointing this out to us. There were only two of us, but with a disabled parent and one working MINIMUM WAGE full time you don't get everything paid for you. Thus, we were on assistance at times when we were children. I didn't have the trust funds that most of you apparently have to go to college, I paid for myself and helped my parents too. Even now I'm deathly afraid of spending for myself or my kids because I'm afraid something might happen.

I'm starting to get furious with this thread because I feel, in an indirect way, that you all are attacking my mother just for having me and my brother. What did she (or I) do to you? She tried, she really did. Things weren't always bad, especially when we were very little. After my dad got hurt is when things went downhill.

Actually, I don't have to make excuses -- I'm dang proud of my mom. She did the best she could with the situation she was dealt, and she kept a roof over our heads and clothes on our back. And if you don't like it, kiss my grits.

 

[eleven]

Smart people can make deductions about this woman. She's riding a bus with 6 children. No, I don't believe her car was in the shop.

By the way, I have worked in the social welfare field and there are people who have more kids to stay on benefits. Yes, the amount is low per our standards. However, it's not just cash aid were speaking about. It's section 8 housing and food stamps among other things.


In addition, I've had unforseen circumstances and my yougest child's birth cost over $256,000. However, I didn't bring 4 more children into the equation.

As far as parents leaving familes? I've always advised that no person have any more children than he or she alone could support. Spouses die and marriages end in divorce.


The fact that you and your husband work and can give your children good lives demonstrates that you are superior. You and your husband have made superior choices in your lives. You, your children, and society in general benefit from it. Your circumstances are better due to your choices and your actions.

I will never forget sitting in my college anthropology class. The teacher was the chair of the department. She explained that Darwin's survival of the fittest no longer applies. She explained that she is highly educated and doesn't have any children. She went on to state that those in the class were the "cream of the crop" and we would likely have one or two children per person in the class. Next, she informed us that we will be supporting those who are less capable and who are breeding at an alarming rate.

It's true whether or not you are willing to stomach it.

I'm done with being politically correct. It's time for a good dose of reality.

Well, I certainly don't think I am "superior" than anyone who is in a lower income bracket or receiving welfare benefits. Not one bit. Yes, we've made wise choices, and of course some not-so-wise choices, but money doesn't define me. Lack of money doesn't define other people to me.

Your teacher who advised you that you were the "cream of the crop" surely was making an immense snap judgement, don't you think? Cream of the crop simply because you and your other classmates were in a college anthropology class? Oooo-kay. That's a stretch. I am not a college professor and even I know that there are good and bad people from all walks of life.

 

[eleven]

Until you are the parent or one of the children in that situation, you really have no right to get up on your high horse and say anything.

You don't know the mother's story, so no one has any reason to say anything to her about crap until they do -- and this includes the racist hag that got banned from the bus. What if she and her husband both worked and lost their jobs -- it happens every day. And when things are going well you don't think about the laters of not being able to support them. We also don't know whether or not she even was receiving assistance, so I don't know where this came into play.

I was one of those kids, and I can tell you that I was embarrassed enough without someone pointing this out to us. There were only two of us, but with a disabled parent and one working MINIMUM WAGE full time you don't get everything paid for you. Thus, we were on assistance at times when we were children. I didn't have the trust funds that most of you apparently have to go to college, I paid for myself and helped my parents too. Even now I'm deathly afraid of spending for myself or my kids because I'm afraid something might happen.

I'm starting to get furious with this thread because I feel, in an indirect way, that you all are attacking my mother just for having me and my brother. What did she (or I) do to you? She tried, she really did. Things weren't always bad, especially when we were very little. After my dad got hurt is when things went downhill.

Actually, I don't have to make excuses -- I'm dang proud of my mom. She did the best she could with the situation she was dealt, and she kept a roof over our heads and clothes on our back. And if you don't like it, kiss my grits.

kygal...you SHOULD be dang proud of your mom!

Back in the depression, NOBODY could afford to have children. But they did. And they struggled, and those children grew up to have families of their own. If everyone stopped having kids back in the depression when things were so bad, the majority of the people on this thread probably wouldn't be alive today, nor would their kids!!! Interesting to think about....

Someday, the world will not be judged by the have & the have-nots. Someday, people won't think of their fellow human beings as lower life forms because they are not in the same economic bracket. Hey, I've thought that way before, I'll admit, but I've changed how I see things in this world and I am really glad for that. It's a much more serene existence.

I may be comfortable right now, and I'd like to think I'd be okay should anything drastic happen, but I am not naive enough to think that I somehow have some invisible field protecting me and mine from financial and career ruin. It can happen to anyone and noone is safe from being completely and utterly blindsided by it.

 

[dufresnecw]

Until you are the parent or one of the children in that situation, you really have no right to get up on your high horse and say anything.

You don't know the mother's story, so no one has any reason to say anything to her about crap until they do -- and this includes the racist hag that got banned from the bus. What if she and her husband both worked and lost their jobs -- it happens every day. And when things are going well you don't think about the laters of not being able to support them. We also don't know whether or not she even was receiving assistance, so I don't know where this came into play.

I was one of those kids, and I can tell you that I was embarrassed enough without someone pointing this out to us. There were only two of us, but with a disabled parent and one working MINIMUM WAGE full time you don't get everything paid for you. Thus, we were on assistance at times when we were children. I didn't have the trust funds that most of you apparently have to go to college, I paid for myself and helped my parents too. Even now I'm deathly afraid of spending for myself or my kids because I'm afraid something might happen.

I'm starting to get furious with this thread because I feel, in an indirect way, that you all are attacking my mother just for having me and my brother. What did she (or I) do to you? She tried, she really did. Things weren't always bad, especially when we were very little. After my dad got hurt is when things went downhill.

Actually, I don't have to make excuses -- I'm dang proud of my mom. She did the best she could with the situation she was dealt, and she kept a roof over our heads and clothes on our back. And if you don't like it, kiss my grits.

I don't think that anyone is attacking people like your mother and yourself. I think the point that they are getting at, for sure what aggrivates me, is those that don't try to help themselves. They just sit at home with no reason not to work and keep popping out the kids. That is not what welfare is for.

Your case, on the other hand, is different. Your parents did all they could to support you. When they got into difficult spots, that's where the welfare kicks in. That's what it's for. To help people help themselves. There is absolutely nothing to be ashamed about. Your parents did what they could and you can feel pride in that much.

I did not have a trust fund to go to college btw, I went to classes 18 hours a week, did about 90 hours of field work a semester (I was an education major), and worked 40 hours a week as a manager at a fast food restaurant to pay for my college. We've had times where my mother was laid off and my father was working a crappy job.. (minimum wage) and we barely squeaked by. We were lucky to have them both get really good jobs while I was young and we didn't have to worry about that.

 

[Boyzmomee]

Well, I certainly don't think I am "superior" than anyone who is in a lower income bracket or receiving welfare benefits. Not one bit. Yes, we've made wise choices, and of course some not-so-wise choices, but money doesn't define me. Lack of money doesn't define other people to me.

Your teacher who advised you that you were the "cream of the crop" surely was making an immense snap judgement, don't you think? Cream of the crop simply because you and your other classmates were in a college anthropology class? Oooo-kay. That's a stretch. I am not a college professor and even I know that there are good and bad people from all walks of life.

No, it's not a stretch at all. You really don't get it, do you?

It's not about good or bad or money.

The fact that everyone in that class had the ambition to go to college and was able to pass entrance exams and get high enough scores to enter a university should tell you something. So should the fact that educated and/or intelligent people (in general) don't screw themselves into the poor house.


I'm done trying to explain it to you. Maybe somebody else would like to try?

 

[Boyzmomee]

Until you are the parent or one of the children in that situation, you really have no right to get up on your high horse and say anything.

You don't know the mother's story, so no one has any reason to say anything to her about crap until they do -- and this includes the racist hag that got banned from the bus. What if she and her husband both worked and lost their jobs -- it happens every day. And when things are going well you don't think about the laters of not being able to support them. We also don't know whether or not she even was receiving assistance, so I don't know where this came into play.

I was one of those kids, and I can tell you that I was embarrassed enough without someone pointing this out to us. There were only two of us, but with a disabled parent and one working MINIMUM WAGE full time you don't get everything paid for you. Thus, we were on assistance at times when we were children. I didn't have the trust funds that most of you apparently have to go to college, I paid for myself and helped my parents too. Even now I'm deathly afraid of spending for myself or my kids because I'm afraid something might happen.

I'm starting to get furious with this thread because I feel, in an indirect way, that you all are attacking my mother just for having me and my brother. What did she (or I) do to you? She tried, she really did. Things weren't always bad, especially when we were very little. After my dad got hurt is when things went downhill.

Actually, I don't have to make excuses -- I'm dang proud of my mom. She did the best she could with the situation she was dealt, and she kept a roof over our heads and clothes on our back. And if you don't like it, kiss my grits.

So what if they lost their jobs? Having 6 children today is a very steep risk. Job loss is one of those risks...... so is not having an education or trade skills that lifts you above minimum wage.

I'm also extremely sick of those who spew that "college trust" garbage. You assume way too much.

Read my signature line.

My father was bipolar and an alcoholic. My mother was abusive. I lived in a children's home as a teen. In addition, I have a learning disability and have had health issues throughout my life.

I also have an advanced degree (that I paid for by working full time and going to school full time), a 20 year marriage, a great job, a nice home, nice cars, two sons, and a six figure income.

So you go ahead and get furious and believe in fairy tales.

I didn't like where I started but I like where I ended up.

 

[Boyzmomee]

Back in the depression, NOBODY could afford to have children. But they did. .

Lol... Of course they did. Birth control was very primitive then.

 

[SewingDeb]

Lol... Of course they did. Birth control was very primitive then.

Yeah, wasn't it holding an aspirin between your knees at night? LOL.

 

[LovingTheChaos]

Until you are the parent or one of the children in that situation, you really have no right to get up on your high horse and say anything.

You don't know the mother's story, so no one has any reason to say anything to her about crap until they do -- and this includes the racist hag that got banned from the bus. What if she and her husband both worked and lost their jobs -- it happens every day. And when things are going well you don't think about the laters of not being able to support them. We also don't know whether or not she even was receiving assistance, so I don't know where this came into play.

I was one of those kids, and I can tell you that I was embarrassed enough without someone pointing this out to us. There were only two of us, but with a disabled parent and one working MINIMUM WAGE full time you don't get everything paid for you. Thus, we were on assistance at times when we were children. I didn't have the trust funds that most of you apparently have to go to college, I paid for myself and helped my parents too. Even now I'm deathly afraid of spending for myself or my kids because I'm afraid something might happen.

I'm starting to get furious with this thread because I feel, in an indirect way, that you all are attacking my mother just for having me and my brother. What did she (or I) do to you? She tried, she really did. Things weren't always bad, especially when we were very little. After my dad got hurt is when things went downhill.

Actually, I don't have to make excuses -- I'm dang proud of my mom. She did the best she could with the situation she was dealt, and she kept a roof over our heads and clothes on our back. And if you don't like it, kiss my grits.

LOL - Some of these folks should keep in mind, that these little children are the one's who are going to be caring for them when they reach old age. They are already short on nursing staff, doctors, & all the other staff required to run nursing homes, or to care for elderly outside of nursing homes. Not to mention the fact that their social security will be paid by the children of today.
The US population is growing relatively slowly, less than 1% growth. If we were at 0, or negative that would not be good either. And, that factors in growth rates from immigrants. Americans really aren't contributing to population growth as much as many other contries. The average family size is 2.09. IT makes headlines now if someone has 8 kids. My grandmother had 8 kids & that was considered 'average'. She would have been about 4 years older than the woman in this story. My MIL had 6, My husbands grandmother also had 6 kids - it was no big thing back then. Today - if you have 4 kids it is considered a large family.

 

[Boyzmomee]

Yeah, wasn't it holding an aspirin between your knees at night? LOL.

lol..lol..lol..

 

[t93]

Well, medically speaking, from what I learned at college years ago, elderly people are missing something, can't remember if it is a hormone or what-but something in the brain starts deteriorating with age, and it controls the part of the brain that controls what they call "tact". My grandma was very blunt as she got older and hurt a lot of people's feelings. Hopefully that's all it was. The problem is older people often feel they've earned that right because they have lived so long, they don't realize it is wrong, and probably a result of losing that tact control.

 

[Texana]

She's being banned from the bus for rude speech.

I don't like what she says, and I don't like hearing rude comments, but I can't see why she should be banned from the bus.

 

[angelmom]

She's being banned from the bus for rude speech.

I don't like what she says, and I don't like hearing rude comments, but I can't see why she should be banned from the bus.

I think it's a pattern of harrassment that spans over a period of time and bothers multiple people. This woman sounds like she has a habit of accosting young women and giving them unwanted advice, spouting off about how "they" are taking over our country, and being a general nuisance. Of course they can kick you off the bus for that!

Can you imagine if you had to ride the bus and deal with that every day? If your children had to hear that constantly? If you asked the driver and management to please do something about it - and they asked her repeatedly to stop, even warned her to stop and she wouldn't?

What else is there to do? Why is this so unreasonable?

 

[Amraann]

I don't unerstand why anyone would think its not ok to ban this women from the bus?

If this were some 20 year old male harrassing other passengers I don't think to many would have a problem.

 

[SewingDeb]

Exactly, Amra.